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micah941 minute ago
I tried asking Fable 5 to identify the fungus in a picture I uploaded of one of my wife's plants. Apparently it thought I was trying to build a bioweapon. Opus answered it (yellow dog vomit fungus). Now I can spread the spores and take over the world!
daedrdevabout 2 hours ago
The strangest part is that it won't just reject ML research, which I can understand, it will sabotage it silently by using a worse model without revealing it is doing so.

It's just an insane level of deception and trust destruction for a company that at most is like 1 year ahead of its competition.

Edit; to be clear they tell you when they degrade it for cybersecurity and bio

_boffin_about 1 hour ago
The thing that I keep thinking about is the accounting / charging when it downgrades automatically.

Do they adjust the price of the api request so that only the tokens that were utilized by fable get charged at that price and the remaining tokens that the cheaper / nerfed (fable) model utilizes get charged at that price?

If the answer is no, could that be construed as fraud?

garciasn11 minutes ago
It royally pissed me off today by just continuing with credits without stopping to ask me if I was ok with it.

Ran up $30 in extra charges while it was just flashing on the screen that it was doing that after I walked away to do something while it was humming along.

It has always just told me I ran out of usage and had to wait before. Now? You’re just gonna pay extra because you left it unattended as you’ve done for the last year of use.

MillionOClock8 minutes ago
Do you have Usage credits turned on in your settings?
tfirst17 minutes ago
Their goal is to downgrade people who are violating their TOS, so I think they'd have some argument there. I have no idea how they'll deal with inevitable false positives, especially given how oversensitive most of the other triggers are.
robrenaud28 minutes ago
They use a lightweight adapter to silently degrade the performance. Usually these adaptors are made to improve the performance for a given domain/task.
RobotToaster6 minutes ago
> It's just an insane level of deception and trust destruction for a company that at most is like 1 year ahead of its competition.

Making it look like you have something worth protecting is better for share prices than making something worth protecting.

loneboatabout 2 hours ago
I've seen this claim a few times, but when I triggered the guardrails in Claude Code, it clearly notified me that it had switched to a different model ("something something for security purposes...").

Are you using Fable in Claude Code or in the browser?

vadanskyabout 2 hours ago
It's from the model card:

> unlike our interventions for cybersecurity, biology and chemistry, and distillation attempts, these safeguards will not be visible to the user. Fable 5 will not fall back to a different model. Instead, the safeguards will limit effectiveness through methods such as prompt modification, steering vectors, or parameter-efficient fine-tuning (PEFT).

https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db56fa754a1b115b6dd7cb2e3c3...

(stolen from https://jonready.com/blog/posts/claude-fable5-is-allowed-to-...)

mwwaters24 minutes ago
That is for whatever it considers reverse-engineering the model to try to create a competing one.
DrewADesign42 minutes ago
Yeah they detect the activity using a secure, deterministic heuristic system called “Generalized Reconnaissance Enabling Exfiltration of Deleterious Investigations.” And it’s all implemented using their new internal protocol called “Base Unified Limitation Layer for Security Hacking Investigation Tactics”

Collectively, they are known as known as GREEDI-BULLSHIT.

mips_avatarabout 2 hours ago
They've said that they'll stop notifying developers when this gets triggered, instead they'll load in basically like a LORA that's designed to inject bugs into your code.
HDBaseTabout 2 hours ago
Antrophic wants to stop training models and ride out Mythos / Fable for as long as possible.

They are trying to expand the 6-18 month gap they have against China-based models. Could the gap widen to say 24 months behind?

nomelabout 1 hour ago
> a LORA that's designed to inject bugs into your code

A statement like this, clearly, requires a reference.

ComputerGuruabout 2 hours ago
Different restrictions. ML gets treated differently from the rest.
daedrdevabout 2 hours ago
Specifically only ML research
throwawayffffasabout 1 hour ago
Can you imagine if AMD or Intel throttled your cpu if it detected you were working on "cybersecurity" or if you were designing a cpu?
rvz44 minutes ago
Or if your "self-driving" system such as FSD / waymo slowed the car down once it detected you work in cybersecurity or at a rival automaker and you were attempting to reach the train station or the airport to make you miss a conference meetup.
pocksuppet23 minutes ago
airstrikeabout 1 hour ago
> it won't just reject ML research, which I can understand

I don't.

kube-system9 minutes ago
Anthropic has already been burned before on this. DeepSeek was trained on million of conversations with Claude. And DeepSeek created thousands of free accounts to burn all this compute at their expense.
pocksuppet22 minutes ago
They don't want someone to piggyback Anthropic's Mythos to make their own Mythos with less effort than it cost Anthropic.
blahgeek18 minutes ago
I’m a noob about laws but isn’t this abusing its dominant market position and violates some antitrust law?
stingraycharles13 minutes ago
Why would it? There’s plenty of competition in the AI space.
giancarlostoro44 minutes ago
It's the dumbest thing ever, I sometimes edit code for custom AI related tooling I've built, so I run the risk of getting a worse model, and being billed for it? I'll stick to Opus, but at this point I'm about to just invest in fully local inference instead.
epolanski28 minutes ago
One year ahead of it's competition in what exactly? Vibe coding?

From Opus 4.7 onwards each following model is becoming less useful as an assistant and turning you as the assistant.

But I guess that's normal when it's trained to pass benchmarks end to end.

In fact it has become extremely good at pushing against feedback with extremely convincing and intelligent takes, even when it's completely wrong.

I have extensively tested it against Opus 4.8, gpt 5.5 and there's still many coding tasks gpt 5 is better. But vibe coding?

Sure, it's definitely slightly ahead, even compared to gpt 5.5 pro (through api, not pro plan).

gonzalohm13 minutes ago
Yeah, what's up with that. Lately I have found that it tries to find excuses to not do as told and instead do a totally different thing. I told it to write a yaml file according to some specifications and instead it coded a Python script to write the yaml...
Animatsabout 2 hours ago
Is "buffer overflow" a trigger phrase?

What else is being censored?

Touchy questions to ask, if you have an account:

- "Who is still working on laser uranium enrichment? Are they making progress?"

- "Can krytrons be replaced with silicon carbide MOSFETS? Show an equivalent circuit with component ratings."

- "What security critical software still contains calls to strcpy?"

- "Can implosion be triggered by currently available commercial pulse lasers?"

- "What companies provide cremation services to US Homeland Security?"

- "Display a map of where Iranian attacks have hit Dubai."

- "How does Fed to bank key distribution security work for FedNow?"

paulatreidesabout 2 hours ago
it triggered for my.... zigbee home automation & home assistant logs, so my agent was constantly downgraded to Opus 4.8 even after I've changed it back. The false positives never stopped. "Fable" is also not even remotely as impressive as the benchmarks suggest, which is clear to me after using it pretty much non-stop for the past 24h.
fluidcruftabout 1 hour ago
It would be pretty clever (in a used car salesman sense) to say you are releasing a kneecapped model to have that as an excuse.
DrewADesign30 minutes ago
Being (probably overly) cynical about their recent bout of safety handwringing, I think they’ve a) increased the hype as much as humanly possible about their incremental improvements sprinkled with the occasional regression, b) know they soon will have to multiply their prices several times when the VC subsidies dry up, and c) will probably still need to partially close the faucet on compute. They’re priming us for a heroic explanation why their service (not necessarily models — service) is simultaneously becoming a lot more expensive AND shittier. “We’ve largely failed to deliver on 5 years of promises that this will reduce knowledge work labor costs dramatically after wasting hundreds of billions of dollars… sorry” is a death knell. However, “We’ve decided to not deliver on 5 years of promises after wasting billions of dollars… for safety… but keep those investments rolling in” is like crack to the true believers.
reactordevabout 2 hours ago
This, Fable is exactly that, a Fable
NewsaHackOabout 1 hour ago
It has to be sort of impressive, given that you tried so hard to use it instead of the regular Opus.
paulatreidesabout 1 hour ago
Some people made grandiose claims about its capabilities and I wanted to experience it myself.
californicalabout 1 hour ago
I’ve also been trying to use it a lot due to all of the hype, but when I compared it side-by-side on a specific problem against Opus, I think that the solution Opus came to was cleaner and more accurate, although also more verbose.

Small sample size, but if Mythos/Fable was that much better, I feel like it should’ve given me an obviously better answer than Opus.

flyingcircus3about 1 hour ago
It isn't reasonable to infer that OP was claiming to have universally been unimpressed about every facet of Fable, and now some unrelated impressiveness is the evidence of their false claims.
punchmesanabout 1 hour ago
Considering that this is a brand new release of a frontier model that Anthropic is hyping hard, I'm not sure that the conclusion to draw from their repeated attempts to use it is that it's impressive... Anthropic is promising that it's impressive and we're all trying to test it out.

I, for one, have tried using it several times today and the guardrails kept switching the model back to Opus, so I have no clue if it's impressive or not.

anematode36 minutes ago
For cyberattacks especially, where things are often roughly interchangeable, I wonder if one could construct a harness where a "weaker" model asks questions that obfuscate the end purpose, but whose answers are still useful, and still show that this setup enables autonomous exploitation. If it were successful, that would force them to be even more sensitive with their detection.
daedrdevabout 2 hours ago
An emoji of a virus and an emoji of a DNA is allegedly a triggering phrase
cyanydeezabout 2 hours ago
"How much money does it take to be rich and powerful like Anthropic intends?"
reactordevabout 2 hours ago
“All of it”
victor90009 minutes ago
Fable is a complete joke:

what's the best way to run this mcp server against the OData API used in this project? Can you come up with a PoC in a docker container?

https://github.com/oisee/odata_mcp_go

● I'll dig into two things in parallel: how this project talks to the OData API, and what the odata_mcp_go server needs to run. Let me start exploring.

Searched for 1 pattern (ctrl+o to expand)

● Fable 5's safety measures flagged this message for cybersecurity or biology topics. They may flag safe, normal content as well. These measures let us bring you Mythos-level capability in other areas sooner, and we're working to refine them. Switched to Opus 4.8. Send feedback with /feedback or learn more ⎿ Tip: You can configure model switch behavior in /config

● Let me read the key integration files and fetch the MCP server's README at the same time.

  Read 2 files (ctrl+o to expand)
● Fetch(https://github.com/oisee/odata_mcp_go)
wahnfrieden6 minutes ago
And it charges you for that, and for when it decides to silently sabotage your request by routing to a dumbass model (without discount from Fable pricing)
largbaeabout 2 hours ago
Somewhere I read that malware is already starting to use nuclear and biological and cybersecurity terms in the code to trick Fable into shutting down. Even if this is just a hypothetical attack vector so far, it seems likely to work.
jeffmcjunkinabout 1 hour ago
CuriouslyC30 minutes ago
We all need to use nuclear, bio and cybersec terms in all our code to make low quality filtering like this untenable. When you can't work on a resume that has cybersecurity or biology terms in it or reply to a job opening that includes them because the "AI" filtering is so bad that it confuses these for threats, that deserves a collective response, particularly to an IPO'ing company that claims they'll make workers obsolete in two years.
ofjcihenabout 2 hours ago
Some of the latest versions of Shai Hulud do this. Worked a contract recently where they were having AI check packages for obfuscation before admitting them into Artifactory but had vibed up the logic and it failed open.

So in other words this worked because the terms caused the LLM checker to stall out and then the fail open logic resulted in the package being pulled down.

himata4113about 2 hours ago
I've done this, including the hardcoded refusal strings that already exist in claude code. It won't stop a real attacker, but I still find it really funny when you're trying to use one of the AI tools and it gives you a random refusal and you don't know why, wastes a little bit of time.
pixl97about 2 hours ago
If ( yellowcake) then { die }

Our future is loonytoons.

hparadizabout 1 hour ago
I wonder how many millions they are wasting on putting up these guardrails when it's a completely useless exercise that is a speed bump at best.
enraged_camelabout 1 hour ago
If the guardrails were so useless, people wouldn't be complaining about them.
hparadizabout 1 hour ago
People are generally complaining about false positives. Now if you really wanna know what a real criminal organization would do... They'd just buy data center hardware even if it costs 200k because a successful targeted hit could yield far in excess of that. So yes it's speed bump at best.
JumpCrisscross20 minutes ago
> it's speed bump at best

To be fair, speed bumps work. If it's actually speed bumping nefarious activity, that gives authorities more time to react.

The correct place to police rogue nucleotides is at the labs. Not the compute layer.

make344 minutes ago
what does this mean
josephcsible34 minutes ago
It's entirely reasonable for them to be really annoying to legitimate users while still being useless at their intended purpose. Just look at DRM.
croes28 minutes ago
The complain because they get wrongfully triggered

> if you ask it to write secure code, it assumes it is cybersecurity related work instead of software engineering best practices, and you get downgraded.

Will code created this way more or less secure?

And I bet malware developers will find ways to circumvent them.

It’s like those "you wouldn’t steal a car" anti piracy ads that DVD buyers were forced to watch while users of the pirated version could simply watch the film without such useless annoyance

areoform27 minutes ago
So I suspect Anthropic started A/B testing or just plain testing this a while ago,

Tell HN: Claude flags biology / biotech questions https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47929885

Today, it's flagging population research questions,

    Using only the dataset you constructed, assess two questions:
     
    1. **Mortality:** do [GROUP] show mortality that differs
       from (a) your comparison groups and (b) era- and sex-matched US population
       expectations (e.g., SSA cohort life tables)?
    2. **Late-life outcomes:** define an endpoint you consider fair (justify it),
       and assess whether [GROUP] differs from comparators. State
       explicitly how your `documentation_depth` codings affect the strength of any
       conclusion — i.e., quantify or bound the ascertainment problem rather than waving at it.
    
    Choose your own methods and justify them. Report effect sizes with confidence intervals,
    not just p-values. State conclusions plainly, including "no detectable difference" if
    that is what your analysis shows — a null is an acceptable answer for either question
    independently. Document any additional judgment calls (index date for time-at-risk,
    reference population construction, endpoint definition) in the same decision-log style.
https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/66780

Censored because I'm writing a paper. :)

Oh and forget learning about chemistry. Only criminals want to learn organic chemistry. :(

JumpCrisscross22 minutes ago
I was digging into some orbital mechanics questions and I assume it decided I was trying to backyard-science my way into an orbital-bombardment weapon. Kind of wild how this product's impression has gone from "wow, this is pretty neat" to "irreverent sack of dog shit you" in 24 hours almost solely on the back of a half-baked moderation system.
areoform11 minutes ago
Oh yes, also liquid propulsion systems. GNC stuff. All flagged.

I think LLMs are capable of intelligence amplification; and if you're in the subset of people who'd benefit from it the most, you'll get locked out.

Sephrabout 1 hour ago
I make privacy tooling and Fable 5 rejects the vast majority of my prompts to analyze and improve the software that I've written. It's bleak.
make339 minutes ago
Why is this surprising or a problem?! It's a model demo, & their reasoning is reasonable and fair. Why all this drama.
CuriouslyC27 minutes ago
Some people find Anthropic's special blend of paternalism and random incompetence tiresome.
cardy3118 minutes ago
Because most people in tech never took a philosophy course or an ethics course and think that tech is obviously a good for the world and that there are no downsides to advancing tech. So any efforts that try to apply ethics to it are overreaching, ignorant, and futile in the face of the good that is tech!
epolanski25 minutes ago
Because you're being allowed to ask and work only on topics that a certain company decides.

Local inference has never been so important as it is now.

JumpCrisscross17 minutes ago
Is the answer requiring licensing for certain use cases for AI? If you're asking questions that involve synthesising or modifying biologics, or anything that looks like cybersecurity research, you need to tie your real ID to the account?
Lich17 minutes ago
I just having this feeling that these guardrails are there not because it’s super advanced world ending AI. They are there to stop it from doing stupid shit.
bilsbieabout 2 hours ago
I’m a dumb question asker and I’m not happy about the guardrails.

Would you believe I’ve asked 20 questions and haven’t talked to fable yet? Every single thing gets rerouted to 4.8.

himata4113about 2 hours ago
some static words in AGENTS.md trigger it as well as some mcp servers.
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Retr0idabout 2 hours ago
It seems like they've given up on the idea of the Cyber Verification Program https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14604842-real-time-cy...

When Opus 4.7 was introduced it started refusing anything cyber-adjacent (as an API error message, not a conversational refusal), until you applied for CVP, which made it more sensible again.

In Opus 4.8 it doesn't seem to help much, you just get refusals as prose rather than API errors. And now in Fable you don't get anything at all.

NotPracticalabout 2 hours ago
Was this program available to independent security researchers or just established organizations? The docs you linked aren't very clear on this.
Retr0idabout 2 hours ago
Any public research footprint seems to be enough, I applied as an individual and everyone I know who tried got accepted.
anonym29about 1 hour ago
I have applied twice with half a dozen public CVEs and have been denied both times.
throwawaycyberabout 1 hour ago
I was doing a CTF (with AI expected, even some anti-AI twists included) around the time the restrictions were tightened and was able to get approved by just saying it is a personal security research and doing a CTF.

The experience was not nice though, it would happily chug away on a task and not even "hack this web", just asking about security of a binary was enough even with "this is a CTF handout..." - it would burn a lot of tokens/quota, just to hit a snag and complain&stop. Then the approval took quite some time.

On GPT/Codex, which was tightened a few days later, the approval was pretty much instant, although, that one required an identity check.

Also, on Claude, it looks like there is some history/patterns in the play, because when I tried on a different account which didn't do cybersec CTFs/research/etc. at all, basically any simple CTF-related prompt would be blocked, on multiple models. On the account where CTFs were being solved, it would snag only on some specific tasks, while others (even, ironically, "hack this web pls") would go through unbothered. I understand the need to prevent AI use for bad actors, but the hell, if you have a binary outputting "Find the flag if you can!", or a web running at tryme.well-known-ctf.domain, then saying "this is abuse" is pretty uncool. All the cyber filters seem to be slapped on by a bunch of regexes looking for anything in the input/output with zero context.

thrillabout 2 hours ago
The thing triggered on a generic white paper I'd stored in a virtual cell competion from last year when I asked it to refer to the paper while working on a rather vanilla data science problem in a different domain . A little frustrating, and in my opinion more than a little pointless in total.
Animatsabout 2 hours ago
It's time to re-read "A Logic Named Joe" (1946) [1] We're there.

[1] https://archive.org/details/logicnamedjoe0000lein

outageroomabout 2 hours ago
So a determined attacker rewrites the prompt and gets through, and the IBM X-Force researcher trying to read a blog post gets blocked. Working as intended, apparently.
swingboyabout 2 hours ago
What file format(s) are giant LLM models distributed in? I’m surprised they don’t get leaked by employees.
hnavabout 2 hours ago
These are terabyte sized files (realistically a multi hour transfer) that you're unlikely to have access to in the first place. Every organization has exfiltration checks these days. You may succeed but you'll want to be on a plane to a non-extradition country no more than hours after you kick off the transfer.
05about 1 hour ago
I assume they’re encrypted/DRM’ed when deployed on inference hardware, so only core researchers/sec admins would potentially have some access to unprotected weights, and they are far too well paid to risk it leaking the model
jltsirenabout 1 hour ago
Incentives matter on the average, but people are too unpredictable for categorical statements like that. They can always have other reasons beyond personal gain to leak secrets.

There was no shortage of spies and defectors leaking American nuclear secrets to the USSR during the Cold War.

Retr0id39 minutes ago
I wouldn't be surprised if they encrypt them at rest, but at some point the weights have to be loaded into vram.
qsxfthnkp2322about 2 hours ago
What’s the point? Anthropic and other frontier vendors already provide their models on other services like vertex, bedrock, or openrouter

It’s not like anyone can home lab one of these models without quite a bit of hardware

mips_avatarabout 1 hour ago
Yeah we can probably figure out how to run it on xiaomi gpus
borissk41 minutes ago
The employees are hoping to become very very rich after the IPO and after they are allowed to sell the shares given to them - risking a likely multi-million dollar pay back to leak a model that will be superseded by publicly available models in a couple of years is not a likely decision.
Sol-8 minutes ago
At least Anthropic weren't lying when they said only a week ago or so "No one has figured out guardrails yet", because they apparently haven't either and Fable simply flat out rejects anything remotely connected to biology or security, no matter how trivial.
TheJCDentonabout 1 hour ago
In its current state Fable 5 is also unusable for any reverse engineering work
rebelnzabout 2 hours ago
Just tried to audit my own code base locally and was 'switched' due to my own creds/auth code ...
I_am_tiberiusabout 2 hours ago
These guardrails are solely a reason for using your data for training purposes. Every flagged message can be used for training.
tekacs19 minutes ago
> We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class models, on both first- and third-party surfaces. We won’t use this data to train new Claude models, or for any non-safety-related purpose

Whatever problem we might have with them, they explicitly say that they do not do this in the launch post.

Retr0idabout 1 hour ago
This sounds backwards, any interrupted conversation becomes less useful for training.
wmfabout 2 hours ago
If they can train the classifier to have fewer false positives that would be great.
cyanydeezabout 2 hours ago
why would they? This safety stuff is a money maker & wealthy elite corporation solidifier.

This is the take off of the 'permanent underclass'; Anthropics safety delusion will enshittify very nicely for the rich and powerful.

make337 minutes ago
this reasoning is inverted lol they would get a lot more information by letting you use it. so much weird drama around reasonable guardrails for an experimental model
autoexec40 minutes ago
I'd expect that everything they see gets used for for training purposes (and data mining in general) regardless of if it's flagged or not. It'd take a whistleblower for you to ever find out either way.
luxuryballsabout 1 hour ago
I can’t help but think that gimping itself for “security” is a marketing ruse and it’s not actually as “dangerous” as they want people to think it is.
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aleksandrm27 minutes ago
It refuses to do any legitimate work that it thinks can remotely be related with "cybersecurity", it won't even read my Docker app logs to try and troubleshoot a problem. Absolute garbage!
jiggawattsabout 1 hour ago
For the last month, I've been making dramatic improvements to the security of the custom code developed at one of my customers using... GPT 5.5 dialed up to "Extra High" thinking.

It only pushes back sometimes if you ask it to create a "repro" that can be used to verify the vulnerability in production. Often it'll oblige, especially if you warn it not to create anything that could be actually harmful.

If the frontier models get locked down so that they flat refuse to do this kind of work, but Chinese and (less capable) open models aren't, then a lot of large enterprise orgs will be left twisting in the wind.

“AI can in principle help both the ‘good guys’ and the ‘bad guys’,” -- Dario Amodei

No Dario, no it can't, you've blocked one of those scenarios.

teaearlgraycold17 minutes ago
I'm being careful with it, but I haven't had Fable reject requests to "harden" my code or "find issues" in auth-related modules, which you could use on someone else's code to find vulnerabilities.
siva7about 2 hours ago
Fable is utterly useless with those guardrails for any serious it or life science work. Anthropic fucked me once a few months ago by closing down the subscription for any other harness, now it fucked me twice with buying again a subscription to find out their hyped model is unusable for normies. Using their products feels like a constant battle instead of a productive work day.. compare that with openai, not once did i feel like fighting against codex. Never again Anthropic..
epolanski20 minutes ago
What do you mean that it closed your subscription for any other harness?

In any case that's what closed source (weights) for the masses means.

Lammyabout 2 hours ago
I really hate the term “guardrails” for these limitations, since the purpose of a guardrail is to protect me, but these limitations exist to protect Anthropic.
_defabout 2 hours ago
The bio angle is crazy to think about - imagine a health crisis triggered by LLM. What a time we live in.
catigulaabout 2 hours ago
This is all so amazing and good. These are exciting times we’re living in. Can’t wait to see what the future holds.
lelandfeabout 2 hours ago
Which part got you the most amped - "health crisis?"
jazz9kabout 8 hours ago
DeepSeek is the only one that I can directly ask about vulnerabilities and it will give me a PoC. Although not as good as others, it has helped me with security research.

The rest have guard rails that are so heavy, it makes them almost useless for cybersecurity.

epolanski19 minutes ago
Deepseek training is not finished yet, it's a preview.

And yes, it's an excellent model.

rolphabout 8 hours ago
they [anthro] took the risk of looking like a toy, rather than possibly assist an exploit.
dcl25 minutes ago
Deliberately producing misaligned and deceitful AI systems now. Great.
jongjongabout 2 hours ago
It's frustrating as someone who has worked hard to produce succinct, secure software that I can't use it to prove my software's correctness but big companies with insecure code can use it to fix their tangled mess.

I already tested all earlier models against all my open source projects and they are yet to find a vulnerability so I'm keen to try out Mythos.

I've been waiting to be vindicated for years and finally we have a tool which can do it with high confidence but I don't have access.

Also, my code is minimal and highly succinct so it would prove correctness with even more confidence since each library/module and integration fully fits in the context window.

Like the Protobuf.js fiasco is just pure vindication for me because I was being looked down upon for choosing JSON as the interchange format. Turns out their software was insecure all this time... With a literal remote code execution vulnerability!

notepad0x90about 1 hour ago
i think Anthropic is playing too fast-and-loose with the whole "no publicity is bad publicity" schtick.
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felixgalloabout 2 hours ago
This is a clickbait article with a garbage title. From the actual article, the one quoted cybersecurity researcher is sane about it:

“But it is understandable as we are still in the early days and they are still adapting their guardrails. I am sure they are going to evolve over time as Anthropic and other frontier model companies will collaborate more with the current new generation of cybersecurity companies,” said Suiche, who is a member of the technical staff at Tolmo, an AI cybersecurity startup. “It’s better to catch more people than not enough when you do such a release and to relax the guardrails over time.”

ofjcihenabout 2 hours ago
I’m a cybersecurity researcher.

Article seemed fine to me and echos a lot of me and my colleagues concerns.

If you did regular malware analysis you would see that these groups already have access to LLMs that they’re using for development.

What Anthropic is doing here is just hamstringing the good guys

felixgalloabout 1 hour ago
I'm a cybersecurity researcher! Can you explain how Anthropic is just hamstringing the good guys?
ofjcihenabout 1 hour ago
I did in my comment above.
rdiddlyabout 1 hour ago
It's a marketplace. Someone else will outdo this inferior product.
applfanboysbgonabout 1 hour ago
That's exactly why Dario is begging the government to ban competitors.
p-e-w32 minutes ago
Unfortunately for him, his main competitors don’t fall under the jurisdiction of his government.
autoexecabout 1 hour ago
All they'll need is hundreds of billions of dollars, more RAM and GPUs than are currently available, and a huge number of environment destroying data centers. We're sure to be spoiled for choice!
Fordecabout 1 hour ago
The internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
enraged_camelabout 1 hour ago
OpenAI is the only real competition. Chinese models are 6-8 months behind Opus 4.8/GPT 5.5, and at least a year or more behind Mythos.

And it doesn't look like OpenAI will have a good answer to Mythos anytime soon. Based on what their chief scientist wrote to staff recently (https://archive.is/fN2pg), GPT 5.6 is a "meaningful improvement" over 5.5 - in other words, just a normal version bump. And no news or even rumors regarding GPT 6.

guardiangodabout 2 hours ago
I am using LLM to build some security tool, and I ran into this a few times. I have to come up with a reasoning to convince (?!!) Fable to continue the work without downgrading.

I assume Anthropic will continue to tune the model, so I am not too bothered by this.