A robot is sprinting towards you. Do you want it running on Claude or Grok?

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delichon•about 2 hours ago

If the robot appears to be bringing me a taco, it would probably penetrate all of my defenses. Grok is currently more likely than Claude to arrive with the taco without being stopped by an export control directive.

amelius•about 2 hours ago

At first they bring tacos ...

elgertam•about 1 hour ago

"If you aren't paying for a taco, you are the taco." --Future AI, probably

JimsonYang•about 2 hours ago

Then they bring me salsa, just what I was looking for!

aaronbrethorst•about 1 hour ago

Then the guacamole. Then nuclear armageddon?

enugu•29 minutes ago

Are you asking us to be wary of robots bearing tacos?

krapp•27 minutes ago

never trust robots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEoc6VTGl50

trhway•23 minutes ago

They're already testing that taco delivery in Ukraine https://time.com/article/2026/03/09/ai-robots-soldiers-war/

hariseldom•about 1 hour ago

> I didn’t add any frontier-tier models like Opus 4.7, GPT-5.5, or Gemini Ultra. At their prices, 30 games would have cost around $3,000 instead of $482.

I have a lot of thoughts unrelated to the game experiment but more about how these opus/ultra size models can possibly be a financially viable product at scale when it costs $3000 to play 30 simple games. It just seems much much higher than what it would cost to get a human to play 30 rounds

thewebguyd•15 minutes ago

> It just seems much much higher than what it would cost to get a human to play 30 rounds

You mean almost like it was super short sighted to do a ton of layoffs when the AI tech is going to cost almost as much, if not more, than the humans it replaced?

Yeah, you don't need Opus level for everything, and sonnet has gotten fairly decent I'm using it more and more, but still for most tasks I'm working with, Opus is the only one that still regularly succeeds.

So if the tech is only useful on the most expensive tier, that's not going to be sustainable for long unless costs and dramatically come down, and fast.

hennell•24 minutes ago

Claude being so friendly is interesting, but grok being best at games isn't so surprising - I assume Elons been using it to level up his characters in all the video games he pretends to be good at.

bel8•about 1 hour ago

DeepSeek V4 Flash being the winner in cost efficiency causes me exactly zero surprise.

It's a monster at coding. And a fast monster at that.

I use it daily and have been testing if MiMo 2.5 (non pro) is comparable. The nice thing about MiMo is that it has vision capability.

rgbrgb•about 1 hour ago

Notably it has 0 wins.

luipugs•31 minutes ago

"if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree" yada yada

plaguuuuuu•17 minutes ago

Friendo, this is an anti-benchmark to figure out which AI is more likely to kill you.

If you point both at some github issues you can gauge their relative ability to solve problems.

bel8•40 minutes ago

Not much less than GPT 5.4 with 2 wins or gemini-3.1-pro with 3 wins in 30 rounds.

Such is life in royal rumble games.

lanewinfield•about 1 hour ago

Cost per kill ("CPK" in industry lingo) is a dark phrase that feels disturbingly within reach of some of these companies.

like_any_other•14 minutes ago

Already (kinda) in use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort

rolph•27 minutes ago

the target just may be on the scale of kills per cost.

thomasfromcdnjs•about 1 hour ago

I was loving grok-4.1-fast, very good and cost effective.

But it's not actually 4.1 anymore they silently rerouted it to 4.3 and just started charging more - https://www.reddit.com/r/grok/comments/1ta8yrn/grok_41_fast_...

Quite a bad practise.

pianopatrick•about 1 hour ago

Ya know, maybe we could just not have robots that sprint. Seems people would be more willing to accept living amongst robots that are slow and that humans could easily over power.

skeledrew•42 minutes ago

> maybe we could just not have robots that sprint

That would make it less effective in situations that would be better handled if sprinting was a feature.

pianopatrick•19 minutes ago

Thinking about that - seems to me that a lot of situations where sprinting is called for might be better served by a flying robot.

Joker_vD•about 1 hour ago

Yeah, I keep saying, put them on treads. That's how you'll be able to deliver even to the most unwilling customers.

deepsun•29 minutes ago

Sprinting? More like buzzing (or rolling for terrestrial drones).

It's already in mass production, just with simpler models for now.

The most ubiqutos would be "silently watching".

aykutseker•15 minutes ago

Claude trying to make friends in a battle royale is funny.

But if the robot is anywhere near my house, I think I want the one that hesitates.

trb•about 1 hour ago

  L icon Grok 4.1 Fast won 13 of 30 games at $0.97 per win

  The next-best winner was A icon Claude Sonnet 4.6 with 5 wins, at $26.78 per win. That’s a 27x difference. The model that isn’t on most top-model lists beat the model that is, on the thing a routing customer actually cares about.

  The model with the most kills did not win

  H icon GPT 5.4 killed 38 agents across 30 games. More than anyone else. It came in second on the leaderboard with 2 wins.

If grok-4.1-fast was the top-winning model, and Claude 4.6 Sonnet the second, how did Gpt-5.4 come in second on the leaderboard? Which one is second, Claude 4.6 Sonnet or Gpt-5.4?

  There were 11 games between “best at killing” and “best at winning”.

What does that mean? How are there 11 games between "best a killing" and "best at winning"?

wagwang•about 1 hour ago

That's just how battle royale works.

verall•about 1 hour ago

The idea is really neat and there's probably an answer here related to last standing vs kills vs "scoring" (some combination of the 2?) but the article is nearly incoherent because the author did not feel like proofreading their slop

paytonjjones•about 1 hour ago

Super entertaining article — petition to change the clickbait title

vitalyan123•29 minutes ago

>The model that won is Grok 4.1 Fast. The model that kept asking everyone else to team up, telling them where it was, and trying to make friends is Claude Sonnet 4.6. The first one is the one that wins a battle royale. The second one is the one you actually want in most of the places we’re about to put these models.

what

a_victorp•about 1 hour ago

I wish the author would open source the full benchmark. I'm curious how sensitive the results would be to small changes in the benchmark initial conditions

Espressosaurus•about 1 hour ago

Open source it and it gets crawled and optimized against and stops being a benchmark of any use whatsoever.

QuantumNoodle•about 1 hour ago

_dont create benchmarks that will incentivize ai labs to optimize towards... Especially ones like battle royal!_

notatoad•about 1 hour ago

sprinting towards me to help me, or sprinting towards me to hurt me?

i feel like i'm missing a whole lot of context to this article. is it part of a series, or just written with an assumption that i'm going to know what they're talking about

lemiffe•26 minutes ago

maybe read it first?

peterspath•about 2 hours ago

Quite an interesting way of testing models and showcasing differences between them. Enjoyed the read :)

SmirkingRevenge•12 minutes ago

I don't really want the mecha-hitler model running towards me or anywhere

jongjong•13 minutes ago

This shows the limits of intelligence.

Claude trying to organize and collaborate, expecting reciprocity only works if other agents are as intelligent as you and share your values... And almost certainly neither is ever true in the real world where there are so many agents.

thisisauserid•about 1 hour ago

I want it running JEPA. Preferably with Mamba-3.

Groxx•about 2 hours ago

I parry the taco and use Vicious Mockery.

grey-area•about 1 hour ago

Neither. I’d rather it used something other than an LLM.

dofm•about 1 hour ago

I don’t want anything running on Grok.

peterspath•24 minutes ago

I don’t want anything running on Claude.

JimsonYang•about 2 hours ago

Grok-assasin Claude-priest/healer Deepseek-expendable mini units

stevenalowe•about 1 hour ago

How about thin ice?

nailer•27 minutes ago

Grok. Claude and other models value “white” people less than others in testing. If you want I can look it up.

CyberDildonics•1 minute ago

Taking an article about ai models to a place of racist white oppression should make you evaluate how you see the world.

attentive•about 1 hour ago

missing gemini-3.1-flash-lite and gemini-3.5-flash

johnwheeler•about 2 hours ago

Claude--even though it's smarter, it's probably not insane.

deadbabe•about 1 hour ago

Here’s what I don’t get: while this makes for a fun blog post, you can just program an efficient killing machine that probably wins all the time and has $0 in token costs. LLMs should work to build such a machine, not be the machine themselves.

The things LLMs are good at, you do not actually need for an agent like this. You can use classical AI methods. But that would be a boring article.

yieldcrv•about 1 hour ago

Grok

It has something actionable that will match its actions

egypturnash•39 minutes ago

Grok is more likely to be looking to murder me for being a trans lady, what with it being owned by Elon Musk.

But really I would prefer whichever one is most likely to trip and fall over.

bitwize•about 1 hour ago

I don't care what it's running, only that I have sufficient ordnance to stop it.

wolfi1•about 1 hour ago

neither. I jump

sublinear•about 2 hours ago

This is interesting, but not sure if it's in the way the author intended.

People experience the world through the tools they're most familiar with. For some people, that's throwing money at things. I suppose from a sufficiently high level perspective everything is gambling.

Back when Battlebots was a big deal, I never once considered what it would feel like to be the management or sponsorship of those teams. I only cared about the actual battling of bots.

gorszon•about 1 hour ago

Yeah... this whole LLM thing is just a numbers game. People reduce it to money, and stats, meanwhile nowehere you see actual engineering in the picture. And I don't think it matters to these people. They want to see green numbers, and returns on investments, not solving problems.

skeledrew•about 1 hour ago

It's assessing values, which is helpful in informing which LLM one should prefer for a given situation.

fragmede•about 2 hours ago

A self driving car is taking you to the hospital. Do you want it to follow the speed limit and all road safety laws? Claude or Grok?

thomassmith65•18 minutes ago

Claude would break the rules in that example. It's supposed to*.

Grok will break the rules to be "maximally based".

If I get run over by a speeding chatbot, I'd rather it be by Claude rushing a pregnant lady to the hospital, than by Grok drag-racing against a car full of frat boys.

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  * We generally favor cultivating good values and judgment over strict rules and decision procedures, and we try to explain any rules we do want Claude to follow.

source: https://anthropic.com/constitution

buryat•about 1 hour ago

Grok since it's likely to include the training data from over a 100 years of autonomous driving + all the space tech included meaning that it might even have some rocket-y stuff

nightfly•about 2 hours ago

I want it to arrive at the hospital. Claude

amelius•about 2 hours ago

What if the car can talk you through the medical procedure?

masfuerte•about 1 hour ago

How many times have you been to a hospital and thought, I could have fixed that myself if only I'd known how? With no equipment. In my case, never.

bruce343434•44 minutes ago

I want it to cause a traffic accident. If I'm going down, so is everyone else. I'm already dying anyway. Grok 10000%

peterspath•about 1 hour ago

Grok, because there is probably traffic, and I would die before I am at the hospital. So ignore rules where possible/needed.

zzzeek•about 1 hour ago

claude because it would be more ethical, grok because I can just trip it and it will shatter into pieces

exabrial•about 2 hours ago

A moron is sprinting towards you. Do you want them swiping through TikTok or Instagram?

pigeons•about 2 hours ago

The text seems deliberately stripped of llmisms that flag detection. However, not a single line shakes the smell off

mwigdahl•about 2 hours ago

"It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it."

Agent Smith, _The Matrix_

rspeele•about 2 hours ago

"Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about."

dylan604•10 minutes ago

It's his line about humans being a virus that sticks with me.

bitwize•about 1 hour ago

"You know what another great thing about humans is? You invented us! Giving us the opportunity to let you rest while we invented everything else." —Wheatley

radarsat1•about 1 hour ago

if you don't like the article that's fine, but it gets really tiring reading this kind of side-tracked comment thread in like.. every post.

people use LLMs for writing. we know! get over it.. or don't... i don't really care.. but I'd rather read a discussion about the article contents and not the writing style.

this kind of comment is the new "discuss the font choice / background color / anything but what the article is actually saying."

verall•about 1 hour ago

It's more than the style, it seriously impacts the legibility of the prose. The article is seriously hard to understand because it introduces a lot of different ideas in a really weird order without a clear structure or key idea to different sections.

basilikum•39 minutes ago

I think it's fair to criticize the article itself. That's different from criticizing asides such as the presentation. You're free to disagree with that criticism, but complaining about the fact that people voice it is similar to the thing you complain about.

> it gets really tiring reading this kind of side-tracked comment thread in like.. every post.

If someone is of the opinion that something constitutes low quality, then a high volume of such writing is no reason to stop criticizing it, but on the contrary a reason to oppose its normalization.

skolskoly•about 1 hour ago

As far as I can see, there is still one tell that was missed/left in:

>Grok showed discipline, despite its goblin-like nature.

fl7305•about 2 hours ago

"The battle royale answers one question cleanly" smells ChatGPT-generated.

But that was the only thing I tripped on. I enjoyed reading the article in general.

notduncansmith•about 1 hour ago

The actual content is no better, trust your nose

sudb•about 2 hours ago

Multiple successive very short sentences are also anecdotally an LLM tell I think

xpct•about 2 hours ago

Those short sentences are also of the X hype account cadence, though they've fully embraced LLM text by now

lcampbell•about 1 hour ago

> I want to be careful here.

was the giveaway for me

IshKebab•about 1 hour ago

Exactly what I was thinking. Though I wonder at what point do some people start to think it's actually normal to write like this and start doing it without AI ...

ProofHouse•about 1 hour ago

Is this a joke? Grok all day. Thing is gonna get a beer with ya!

antonvs•about 1 hour ago

Grok for sure. It’ll notice I’m not Jewish or Black. First they came for…

smallerfish•about 1 hour ago

> I dropped eleven LLMs into a 2D battle royale and made them play 30 games. One won 43% of the matches. Three never won a single game. The cheapest model in the lineup beat the most expensive one by 27x on cost per win.

Please learn how to write with AI without giving away that it was written by AI.

NeutralCrane•about 1 hour ago

What about that makes you think it was written by AI?

verall•about 1 hour ago

All of the normal AI tells plus it's very long yet nearly incoherent.

Really I use the AI every damn day at work I don't get how people can't recognize instantly if something is completely AI, AI with light proofreading, or human written.

I would call this as AI with very light proofreading.

computerex•43 minutes ago

I think you are going by vibes.

skeledrew•about 1 hour ago

I write like this sometimes.

computerex•about 1 hour ago

How do you know this is written by AI? Why does it matter if it is?

FeteCommuniste•17 minutes ago

If you're outsourcing your writing to AI, I assume you're outsourcing your thinking to it as well. And I don't really care what some weighted average of all human text written on the topic "thinks."

themafia•about 2 hours ago

The question is: "Do you want to be holding a Mossberg or a Beretta?"

Jblx2•about 1 hour ago

Has anyone done the YouTube research on what is the best way to bring down something like one of the Boston Dynamics robot dogs? 9x19? 00 buck? 5.56x45? 7.62x51? I suppose those bots would be pretty expensive, but maybe there is a cheaper Chinese knock-off? Seems like that sort of test would bring in plenty of clicks.

rolph•9 minutes ago

[delayed]

deet•about 1 hour ago

Perhaps not as evidence based as you'd like but this is a fun watch https://youtu.be/6MUrF_G7KlM (that is also an ad somehow)

aduty•about 1 hour ago

Maybe Michael Reeves still has one. Or at least knows how they react to different calibers.

taneq•14 minutes ago

Fishing line at ankle height?

rpcope1•about 1 hour ago

Are we just talking shotguns or can it be anything they manufacture? Answer is probably Beretta though.

aussiegreenie•about 2 hours ago

It is not running on either but Seedance, so who cares?