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n2d4about 1 hour ago
Amazon is actually much more reasonable than the headline makes it seem:

    > “We have the utmost respect and admiration for Luca Guadagnino as an award-winning filmmaker — not to mention a longstanding relationship that we hope to continue,” a spokesperson for Amazon said to Variety in a statement. “We believe that Artificial will be better served if it were released by a different studio and are working closely with the filmmaking team to find the film a new home.”
Well, yeah, I kind of agree. Amazon probably shouldn't be the one producing the film, and it sounds like they're working to get the rights sold to someone else.

The headline also sucks because "after" means "months after with no evidence that it's related". It's just clickbait all around.

schmichael39 minutes ago
Amazon dropped the movie after announcing a partnership with OpenAI. The headline clearly communicates the only demonstrable action Amazon has taken.

Whether they're actually going to sell it is TBD. Until they do, they've taken no concrete action except cancel it. I don't think this article is clickbait.

n2d417 minutes ago
What makes you think they've canceled it? Did you read past the headline?

What should they have done here — keep the movie despite the obvious conflict of interest? Be more secretive about the fact they're trying to separate so no one can write articles like these?

If they did the right thing, it would look exactly like this. And I think it's generally a good idea to assume good faith (even with corporations) — you can still get your pitchforks up if they do refuse to give away the rights to movie.

afavour3 minutes ago
> I think it's generally a good idea to assume good faith (even with corporations) — you can still get your pitchforks up if they do refuse to give away the rights to movie

I take the opposing viewpoint. They don’t have to “refuse” to give away the movie rights, they can just… not do it. Pitchforks in three months or is that still reasonable? Six months? Two years?

I don’t believe a word they say until I see action that backs it up.

Look at their distribution of the Melania movie. It was very obviously a money losing favour to Trump. But they’d never admit as such because why would they? And what do I gain by taking them at their word that it’s a wonderful piece of film deserving of the money spent on it when that’s obviously untrue?

Fraterkes29 minutes ago
Why do you agree that Amazon shouldn't be the one producing the film if you don't believe there's any evidence them dropping it is related to the partnership?
n2d421 minutes ago
1. Because Amazon is a bigtech corp making a film about another bigtech corp. Plenty of conflicts of interest here (in either direction).

2. Regardless of whether it is or isn't related, implying they are without any evidence is just speculation. There's a reason they didn't say "months after" in the headline, even though it would be much more informative and much less confusing!

You also seem to conflate "there's evidence for" and "you believe that". Those are very distinct statements. "you don't believe there's evidence for X" doesn't make sense here — I said "there is no evidence for X in the article", that's a fact, not a belief.

TurdF3rguson20 minutes ago
He's agreeing with like, the universe, man.
iamflimflam1about 1 hour ago
Headlines are there to trigger people. It’s a shame that hacker news folk fall for them too often.
Lerc38 minutes ago
>The headline also sucks because "after" means "months after with no evidence that it's related". It's just clickbait all around.

post hoc ergo propter hoc is how print media imply a unstated fact without falling foul of Betteridge's law of headlines.

n2d411 minutes ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. You are correct, and it is so rampant these days that I wish we just banned the word "after" in headlines.
JumpCrisscrossabout 2 hours ago
There is clearly a church-and-state issue with tech platforms owning studios. On the other hand, they have the cash. Not sure how we solve this without directly plumbing the cash to independent studios through a tax on tech funding a subsidy on independent studios.
humodzabout 1 hour ago
In the 1940s it was common for studios to own movie theaters, but the Supreme Court ruled that this violated antitrust laws and forced them to sell off their theaters.

To me it's the same situation again, but now the theaters (streaming platforms) owning the studios.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Paramount_Pic....

reactordevabout 1 hour ago
And a federal government openly encouraging it
vovaviliabout 1 hour ago
>a tax on tech funding a subsidy on independent studios

Forcing consumers to subsidize an expensive taste sounds like a peculiar idea.

ok_dadabout 1 hour ago
More like ensuring culture and art isn’t captured by the big conglomerate.
nonethewiserabout 1 hour ago
How is it different than media companies owning studios? Or simply studios existing? Studios publish viewpoints.

What you’re saying seems to completely ignore the first amendment.

ok_dadabout 1 hour ago
The first amendment is for humans fuck the corps
nonethewiserabout 1 hour ago
But in practice no, the government cannot compel speech like this due to the first amendment
boca_honeyabout 1 hour ago
Corporations are legally humans (in the US). You might not like it, but it is what has allowed our current tech infrastructure to flourish. It's the reason you're able to post this.
lotsofpulpabout 1 hour ago
There is no church-and-state issue because the state is not stopping anyone from distributing video to whoever wants it.

It’s trivial to make and distribute a video (or text website or audio recording). Just because one business does not want to pay for it does not entitle the public to it, like any other media.

nonethewiserabout 1 hour ago
Yeah the church and state comparison is funny. The principles guiding separation of church and state are why the government can’t stop or punish tech companies from having studios.

What he’s suggesting is to violate the first amendment. You cant just tell tech companies they cant have studios.

vkou36 minutes ago
Yet we could tell the studio companies that they can't have theatres. How did that not violate it? Has the amendment changed in the past century? Were the judges just stupid?

Maybe it's not so simple?

bluefirebrandabout 1 hour ago
> It’s trivial to make and distribute a video

It's trivial to shout into the void

It's nontrivial to get heard

Freedom of speech is not sufficient in a world where it is so easy for the powerful to drown out all but the biggest voices

cassonmarsabout 1 hour ago
This feels like a strange take to me. With the internet, it has never been easier for people anywhere in the (connected) world to find an audience, which we've seen to great and detrimental effects. Prior to this, reaching widespread audiences _required_ powerful entities (publishers, marketers, broadcasters).

Why do you feel differently?

newshackrabout 1 hour ago
They already paid for it though. The movie was done.
nonethewiserabout 1 hour ago
So the government should force them to publish the viewpoint against their will?
baqabout 2 hours ago
I want a movie about Jassy ratting out Amodei to the feds
throwaway87543about 2 hours ago
Amazon can't bury it without alienating Luca Guadagnino. Instead they are allowing anyone else publish it. Maybe A24 will want it, it is screening well.
nicceabout 2 hours ago
Right after taking part of restricting Fable etc?
seasoxabout 1 hour ago
They don‘t even hide it anymore.
d--babout 2 hours ago
Oh so there will be a sequel!
andix35 minutes ago
Stuff like that happens in every oligarchy.

Either get used to more and more stuff like that, or regulate the sh* out of it. Without stopping stuff like that early on, the concentration of wealth and power only increases.

basiswordabout 2 hours ago
Does Amazon likely have the power to hold this up indefinitely or will it easily be moved to another studio?
Lerc44 minutes ago
"We believe that Artificial will be better served if it were released by a different studio and are working closely with the filmmaking team to find the film a new home."

They are claiming they will not. Many people would have to have the power to hold it up indefinitely, films get delayed by many different factors. It remains to be seen which happens.

josefritzishereabout 2 hours ago
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ribosometronomeabout 2 hours ago
It reads like this is meant to be a Social Network style portrayal where Altman is not necessarily portrayed flatteringly or with his approval, no? Where Melania was a payoff to a world leader, dropping this as they're making business deals also seems to be in service of their relationship.
sd9about 1 hour ago
It's too early to do a Social Network for OpenAI
ToucanLoucanabout 2 hours ago
Because he is one?
ceejayozabout 2 hours ago
I wonder how long before we get a Bezos biopic.
jrflowersabout 1 hour ago
We already had a movie where Kevin Spacey played Lex Luthor
Gagarin1917about 1 hour ago
Honestly not that big of a loss. Even if it’s Sam Altman being an ass the entire movie, it still wouldn’t be a good film because it’s about a wet blanket.

He’s not Steve Jobs or something. It’d be about as interesting as a Jeff Bezos film. Nobody cares.

kelvinjps1035 minutes ago
is more about the drama of him being fired of openai it doesn't have to be positive to be interesting
Gagarin191720 minutes ago
I wasn’t saying it needs to be positive, I’m saying he’s a super boring movie character.

A whole movie about him being fired from OpenAI just doesn’t sound compelling. A simple documentary would be a much better format, and likely more accurate and interesting.

CamperBob240 minutes ago
Zuckerberg's not a very interesting character but in the hands of a David Fincher, that wasn't a problem. Maybe the same is true for Altman and this director?
zeroonetwothree33 minutes ago
The Facebook founding was interesting, not sure about Z on his own.