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conartist6•about 2 hours ago
The content of the post deemed by ICE to warrant ~~federal prosecution~~ crime-boss-style intimidation:

> BREAKING: The ICE agent who shot and killed Renee Good in broad daylight has been identified as Jonathan Ross by the Minnesota Star Tribune. I think today is a great day for Johnathan to be indicted!

If anyone is wondering, it would still be a good day : )

laweijfmvo•about 2 hours ago
I don’t read the Minnesota Star and hadn’t seen any of this, so, if anything the Feds doxxed their own by bringing it to my attention.
skeledrew•33 minutes ago
Streisand!
mattnewton•about 2 hours ago
_in a polling place_ no less
axus•about 1 hour ago
I see they were invited in by the person they wanted to intimidate, so that she wouldn't be alone, and there were no voters present. "Better judgement" would have been to not invite them and to not accept the invitation, but after the fact I could say it's preferable to the alternative. The person who decided to take action against this lady should be fired though.
panny•about 2 hours ago
Maybe you should ask them for an ID to make sure they belong there.
fc417fc802•about 2 hours ago
National Security Memorandum 7

> politically motivated terrorist acts such as ... organized doxing campaigns

Clearly she's party to a criminal conspiracy to dox federal agents. It was benevolent of them to let her off with nothing more than a warning to cease and desist.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/coun...

alistairSH•about 2 hours ago
But she didn't dox him - per the quote above, the Minnesota Star released his name. She simply restated what was reported.

And that's before we consider the absurdity of making the names of federally-sanctioned killers private. They should all be wearing name tags and ID numbers.

And she didn't actually do what the agents claimed in their letter to her:

“This notice officially informs you that it is unlawful to threaten to assault, kidnap, and/or murder a federal official or that federal official’s immediate family member with the intent to impede, intimidate, and/or interfere with the federal official’s duties or retaliate against a federal official due to the performance of their duties."

She did none of the above. She only said "This is his name. Would be nice if he was indicted." That's not a threat - she's not in a position to indict him or sway a DA towards indictment. His family wasn't mentioned. There was no impeding of his work,

conartist6•about 2 hours ago
I'm having a hard time reading your sarcasm level here so I'm going to assume its around 85%.
hightrix•about 2 hours ago
It is widely reported and posted around the internet that Jonathan Ross murdered Rene Good while acting in official duties as an ICE agent.

There is no conspiracy here.

sanex•about 2 hours ago
Ah yes illegal according to those laws handed down by the king.
delichon•about 2 hours ago
This kind of intimidation sucks and I'd like to see individual officers who indulge in it lose their qualified immunity and be prosecuted for it.

But I'm at least grateful to live under a regime that needs to break its own laws to do this, and so such charges can be dismissed by courts that follow the law, even if they don't apply consequences to the offending officials. Compare that to the UK where more than 12k people were arrested for social media posts in 2023 alone and where it is fully permitted under the law with great discretion and supported by the courts.

It's a bit like "my husband is better than yours because he doesn't beat me as hard", but it's something.

lux-lux-lux•about 2 hours ago
Given the costs of defending a federal case start at the five figs and the typical naughty tweets style offense nets community service at worst, I’m not so sure.
Steve16384•about 2 hours ago
Which of the 12K arrests do you not agree with? Or are you saying people should be free to write whatever they want on social media with no repercussions?
vitally3643•15 minutes ago
Saying what you want about the government without fear of reprecussion or intimidation or consequence from the government is literally in the constitution. Very specifically for this situation.

This isn't a "freespeach" argument, this is the actual text of the actual constitution. This is the actual literal reason that line is included in the bill of rights. It is explicit constitutional law that the government cannot punish you for criticizing the government.

There are a ton of exceptions to our right to free speech, but this is not one.

bryceacc•about 1 hour ago
>Or are you saying people should be free to write whatever they want on social media with no repercussions?

no repercussions from the government, yes, people should be free to write whatever they want

inglor_cz•about 1 hour ago
Most countries in the West have higher threshold to arrest someone over social media posts. Some actually much, much higher.

12K is just a ridiculous number and indicates that the UK indeed has a free speech problem. I don't think that in my country there were more like ~ 20 actual arrests over the same problem during the same period.

Even if you agree with prosecuting people for speech, why exactly would you arrest them and drag them to prison/jail? Even here in Europe, this is a sort of offense that usually results in a suspended sentence or a fine, and a physical arrest is absolutely unnecessary, unless there is a good suspicion that that person is going to harm some concrete people at a concrete time.

In a more liberal country, even if prosecution over an utterance takes place, it usually happens without arrests, simply by asking the culprit to come to a police station and explain themselves, later the same in front of a court. There just isn't any need for physical restraining of that person, it is just intimidation.

fanatic2pope•about 2 hours ago
I wonder how far we are away from people being arrested for holding up blank pieces of paper.
dgellow•about 2 hours ago
graemep•about 2 hours ago
The UK case involved him being "lead away" by police and "detained" when he returned and spoke so not really an arrest for holding up a blank piece of paper. Not good by any means, but not quite "for holding up a blank piece of paper". The other UK case was about a threat of arrest if he wrote on the paper - that is under the law that bans protests in Parliament Square. Again, not good, but not for holding up a blank piece of paper.
dgellow•about 2 hours ago
I thought detainment was a lighter kind of arrest. Seems that I’m wrong and they are distinct concepts (I’m not too familiar with the English terminology here, my bad)
mrhottakes•about 2 hours ago
The facts in your link contradict your post
trelane•28 minutes ago
Or praying silently to yourself in a No Praying Zone!
reactordev•about 2 hours ago
I mean, if we are going to go after people for their tweets and posts, there’s a social network that needs crawling…
lokar•about 2 hours ago
I know in CA it is a violation of election law for an armed law enforcement officer to enter a vote center unless they are responding to an incident or there to vote.
mingus88•about 2 hours ago
And what are the consequences if they do it anyway?
lebuffon•about 2 hours ago
That, in my opinion, is the question of the era for the USA. We were taught that the rule of law prevailed and there are "checks and balances" but it seems like there is no prescibed way to enforce the rules inside the system.
nojvek•10 minutes ago
USA is trending towards right is might.
reactordev•about 2 hours ago
Whose gonna call the cops on the cops?
lokar•30 minutes ago
Different cops. We had sheriff’s deputies out for some other issue, my impression was they took the law pretty seriously. They may not arrest them on the spot, but I think they would get ID and tell them to leave, and later file a report.
kingleopold•34 minutes ago
aka "who watches the watchmen?"
laweijfmvo•about 2 hours ago
are the cops gonna do anything? just start a mini civil war in someone’s garage?
jmclnx•about 2 hours ago
These days, I would guess a "tsk-tsk" is said to them.

The States need to grow a pair and start arresting these agents who break the law.

profdevloper•about 2 hours ago
Pretti Good work by feds here