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There's also a difference between your neighbor not closing her blinds and you using a telescope to look inside her apartment, which is what sites like this are.
This isn’t a passive “walked by the window” thing that you might have unwittingly viewed. To actively search for open cameras by crawling every IP then creating a tool to see them, then choosing to watch the footage is a very active, deliberate choice. No one is viewing this footage without making a multi-step choice to view it.
> As a rule of thumb, if you believe that "nobody would connect that to the Internet, really nobody", there are at least 1000 people who did.
Then everyone could get what they want: voyeurs can watch exhibitionists like God intended.
(Not sure how much metadata there is on the site since it’s currently suffering the hug of death so I can’t see anything at the moment.)
Sharing on the internet should be one of the hardest things to do in your product. You need to make enough friction that the user can never do it by accident or by default. And the user should be warned at every step.
While right, there are multiple definitions of "private" and for others OP's point still stands.
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
So if I put an IP camera inside your bedroom without your notice or consent, and hook that up to the Internet, you'd be okay with that? Because it's public!
A lot of these are probably from default or misconfigurations. A lot of these people with IP cam feeds visible to the Internet probably do not know they are open.
The intent was to say "You cannot call a space private if it has a networked camera in it." Not "only a public space can host a camera".
a] they may be exhibitionists
b] they dont realise they are misconfigured
c] someone hacked them to whatever end
d] they are doing nothing wrong thus believe they have nothing to hide.
They wanted to be able to look at a place when not there so they bought something from Amazon and solved the problem.
> Baiting deer is illegal!
> This corn pile is intended for squirrels, chipmunks, and other such critters.
> Any deer found eating this corn will be shot!
https://ipcrawl.com/fun/c/373ef0178c5281a5
The point is valuable, and the mission is important, but the ends do not justify the means. If this must be shared, at least use static pictures and don’t stream the content for viewers.
I get it if you think this is a legal gray area (it's not), but it's surprising to see how many people seem to think this is plain justified. Makes me think that there's some users that gravitate towards this site because the hacker in hackernews refers to hacking as in accessing systems without permission.
If you think hosting a website like this is ok, I encourage you to talk to a criminal lawyer and consider if you are a criminal. At least do it knowingly, do not pretend shit like this is fine.
Should Shodan be taken down because it can search for these devices? What about Google because it can find admin consoles?
And standing out in the street staring through with binoculars is still wrong and creepy.
> Should Shodan be taken down because it can search for these devices? What about Google because it can find admin consoles?
It’s not a new idea, nor that controversial, that we restrict things specifically aimed at doing something rather than ones just capable of it.
These things are open server ports on the wild internet. Anyone with a "for" loop can find them easily. If they care about privacy they shouldn't have them public.
If you roll your eyes at the thought of having to manage credentials or refuse to learn how the internet works on a basic level, you're not fit to set up devices connected to the internet.
Secure your shit or don't play with technology you can't handle.
Without realizing that the entire world can see what the owners are doing when they are at home. Without using any special app at all.
Adults too, if you had a pool like this wouldn't everybody want to share their "sex pool party cam"?
https://ipcrawl.com/?page=7&cam=398d4f57a3155d42
What is the goal?
And they've created a reddit page specifically for this!
I don't really understand this b/c it's trivial to say "write me a letter in the style of <famous letter writer A> mixed with the style of "<famous letter writer B>"
Or
"Here are some examples websites, make a new website that is a remix of all of the example sites".
You would be surprised at the results.