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cryo32about 2 hours ago
Well guess I won’t be renewing my subscription this month then.

Any other verified sources?

Risseabout 2 hours ago
Somewhat of a verification, here's Mullvad's response to the post on Mastodon: https://mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/116822244689326681
cryo32about 1 hour ago
Thanks. Also fuck.
microgpt10 minutes ago
Will you be creating a VPN?
mrtksnabout 2 hours ago
previously discussed[flagged: 251 comments]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48687508
gpvosabout 1 hour ago
Including a statement from the other founder.
plucabout 1 hour ago
This one's gone too.
lompadabout 2 hours ago
Damn. Well, if that gets confirmed I'm going to get my company off mullvad.
amarantabout 2 hours ago
It's confirmed. And the party in question is quite extreme, at least by Swedish standards.
Gud13 minutes ago
They are not “extreme”.
yaris40 minutes ago
According to polls[0] the party gets ~20% votes in their region. IMHO 20% of voters can't be "extreme" [0] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/orebro/orebropartiet-nast-... (swedish)
microgpt9 minutes ago
> IMHO 20% of voters can't be "extreme"

Was the NSDAP "extreme"? They got 43.9%

thendrillabout 2 hours ago
I love how we pretend to live in a free democratic society where everyone is free to make up their own mind and vote for what they believe...

...as long as they don't have opinions that differ from ours, in that case we might punch em in the face...

bobusumisuabout 1 hour ago
And everyone is free to chose not to buy products from people who have opinions that differs fundamentally from their own?

And some opinions cannot be tolerated in a democratic society. An obvious example is anti-liberal/anti-democratic opinions as they threaten the system itself. You cannot have a free democratic society if a majority removes the freedoms of a minority.

colinhbabout 2 hours ago
For most people, the concern is the money, not the voting. People don't want wealthy people reshaping politics to fit their interests through their wealth. They can vote for whomever they want.
yarisabout 1 hour ago
This sounds a bit irrational. Where does "wealthy" start? Mullvad co-CEO donated ~ $500K, would him donating $100K have the same effect? What about $10K? What if a Mullvad _employee_ donated $500K?
colinhb15 minutes ago
What about work in units of median annual household disposable income, which are at least somewhat responsive to the distribution of money?

What % do you think a reasonable voter should accept a person donating to a political campaign before it causes concern about the donor's influence vs the median household's voice?

Off the top of my head, I'd guess 500k USD is about 1000% / 10x median annual household disposable income in SE, which I think would give the median voter pause.

For what it's worth (my own view): I think about 10% (~5k USD) is obviously acceptable, and I expect most anyone would agree that donations at that level are fine. I think your proposed 1000% is obviously unacceptable, and I expect most people would agree with me on that as well.

I'm not sure exactly where the level is that opinion would flip, but I feel pretty confident about those boundaries.

gpvosabout 1 hour ago
A company shouldn't be able to fire an employee over their opinion,[0] so that wouldn't matter to me. For a major owner, the donation amount starts to matter to me around $5-10K, but YMMV.

[0] I suppose unless they have a very influential position and it's about a matter that contradicts main company goals

calciferabout 2 hours ago
You have freedom of speech to advocate for your politics. The rest of us have the freedom of association to not want to be involved with you in any way.

These are not contradictory - they are both essential freedoms.

flohofwoeabout 2 hours ago
> in that case we might punch em in the face

Nobody is calling for violence though?

In a free democratic society nobody is forced to do business with anybody they don't agree with, and free speech means they can talk about their decision without fearing repercussion.

misnomeabout 2 hours ago
> "punch em in the face"

Very weird interpretation of "voluntarily choose to not continue supporting them financially"

Presumably you want everyone to be forcibly compelled to finance the political parties they disagree with? And you would define this as a democratic society?

thendrillabout 2 hours ago
Punishing a company because someone does something in their free time with their own money ....
gpvosabout 1 hour ago
The guy owns half the company, so a significant part of the money I'm paying is involved. Yes, it is quite ethical to decide based on matters like that. It's not an employee or minor shareholder.
flohofwoeabout 1 hour ago
Not doing business with a company (for any reason btw) is not 'punishment'. Nobody is taking away anything from the company or any people involved with that company.
krappabout 1 hour ago
That's how markets work. People have the right to choose to do business, or not, based on whatever criteria they value.
loloquwowndueoabout 2 hours ago
So far in this thread you’re the only one mentioning punching anyone in the face.
peddling-brinkabout 2 hours ago
The Nazis are sad that people want to punch them in the face.

https://knowyourmeme.com/sensitive/memes/richard-spencer-pun...

grim_ioabout 2 hours ago
What's wrong with choosing who you give your money to?

Is that somehow undemocratic?

Is anyone censoring the guy?

yde_javaabout 2 hours ago
Haters will now say that the far right will destroy exactly that: "our" democracy. The Western morality is a joke, and many HN readers comment like an infant. I feel ashamed.
sourcecodeplzabout 2 hours ago
archive link? the post got deleted
Risseabout 2 hours ago
They might be having some capacity issues, it was 404 for me for a while but now it's back.

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20260629105534/https://det.socia...

sourcecodeplzabout 2 hours ago
thanks, i got to the actual article that was linked: https://web.archive.org/web/20260628170131mp_/https://www.fl...
orliesaurusabout 2 hours ago
does it change your trust in the company?

For some people, the answer is obviously yes. For others, they'll judge Mullvad purely by its track record, audits, and technical design.

Honestly, you could say the same about the CEO of ANDURIL in the US - the Oculus guy...but he just cares about the US and wants to make money by making weapon systems etc.

Is he a bad person? Is he a patriot? Who knows, I ain't gonna play the ultimate judge game - but he did release a cool gameboy clone which is literally the closest I will ever get to his work... [1]

[1] https://modretro.com

exitbabout 2 hours ago
It's not only about trust, but also about not wanting to give money to an entity that will pass it on to a political party you don't want to support.
hootzabout 2 hours ago
Yes, not only trust but my willingness to contribute money towards his paycheck. I don't want my money to end up in far-right parties.
plucabout 2 hours ago
Look at Zuck and Musk. Their platforms are still used by millions. It's only "us" that care about the pedigree of our tech founders, most people couldn't care less.
microgpt8 minutes ago
There has to be some reason that so many projects are started by right wing people. Something in their personality that makes them both RW and willing to start lots of projects.
toygabout 2 hours ago
In some ways I would say it could even increase trust: if the guy is a privacy absolutist, ultra-libertarian, "my business is not the state's business" type, his VPN products are likely to be pretty good.

On the other hand, he might have other strong right-wing views that users don't agree with, and which might take precedence in one's set of priorities. If I like football and they like football, but they also want to kill me because of <other reason>, I don't think I'd want to give them my money.

echelonabout 2 hours ago
Wanted to mention the Analogue since ModRetro was mentioned.

https://www.analogue.co/products

https://www.analogue.co/editions

I think these look a lot cooler, though they're less hackable.