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ndiddy•about 3 hours ago
https://archive.is/QIePX

> In April, Mr. Ghalibaf was set to travel to Islamabad to meet with Vice President JD Vance. But Iranian security officials were concerned that Israel would use the opportunity to assassinate Mr. Ghalibaf or Mr. Araghchi to derail the talks, the officials said.

> Iranians sought guarantees from the United States, through Pakistani and Qatari intermediaries, that Israel would not carry out any covert operations targeting the Iranian delegation, the officials said.

> Pakistani fighter jets escorted the Iranian airplanes carrying a delegation of more than 70 Iranians from the border of Iran to Islamabad and back again when the session was over.

> But on the way back to Tehran, an Israeli security threat emerged.

> Iran’s security forces notified the plane carrying Mr. Ghalibaf back to Tehran that they had picked up intelligence that Israel planned to attack the plane and that two Israeli fighter jets had entered Iran’s airspace from its western border near Iraq, the two officials said.

> Mahdi Mohammadi, a senior adviser for Mr. Ghalibaf, who accompanied him to Islamabad, confirmed this account on his social media page. The plane made an emergency landing in the city of Mashhad, Iran’s closest airport to the Pakistani border, and the Iranian delegation traveled some eight hours by land back to Tehran, Mr. Mohammadi and the two officials said.

fsckboy•about 1 hour ago
in what you quoted, nothing says "U.S. officials believed..." as the headline states
ndiddy•13 minutes ago
> U.S. officials believed that Israel might have been plotting to kill Iran’s top negotiators while Washington was engaged with Tehran in delicate talks this spring to reach an interim peace deal, according to current and former American officials.

> Killing senior Iranian leaders had been part of Israel’s strategy from the start of the war. But American concerns about the targeting of two particular Iranian officials — Abbas Araghchi, Iran’s foreign minister, and Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, the speaker of the Parliament — spiked during delicate cease-fire negotiations that began in April.

> Fearful that an Israeli assassination effort would doom the negotiations, the United States, according to some of the officials, went so far as to ask other countries in the region to warn Iran about the possibility Israel could target the two officials.

mullingitover•about 3 hours ago
It's incredible how badly the US has been dog-walked by both its 'ally' as well as Iran.

"America First" brought to you by "The Peace President"[1].

[1] https://xcancel.com/WhiteHouse/status/1976081153699508480

8note•about 2 hours ago
im really not convinced israel is an ally, vs a nuclear threat that has had the US by the balls for decades.

who else has attacked the US navy with the US staying hush hush about it?

the_solenoid•about 2 hours ago
If you frame it as an entity that launders the military industrial complex's desires to test weapons, keep congress beholden, and keep conflicts going forever – then work backwards from there, the allowance of their subversion makes perfect sense, as well as the over the top allegiance of those congresscritters it buys.

Dunno if that is how it works but I have never been able to square the capitulation in our government without that tie. This is also considering the influence of christian z's.

Cernunnos•about 3 hours ago
There is only so much you can do when you've been purchased by mossad.
throwaway85825•about 3 hours ago
Purchased, blackmailed, threatened, or all 3. There's a lot of tools in the intelligence toolbox.
dribbiy8•about 1 hour ago
Not just that, a hugely disproportionate number of American politicians are Jewish. It's not a conspiracy or anti-Semitic to point out that objective fact.
cassianoleal•about 1 hour ago
Not only that, but even a lot who aren't Jewish are openly zionists - e.g. Joe Biden.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens...

fsckboy•37 minutes ago
>It's not a conspiracy or anti-Semitic

it is if you think the reason is something that's not benign, or if you are keeping track of it and spreading it hoping to foment anger.

A hugely disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes have been won by Jews (22% vs 0.2% of total population) and that's with 6 million killed in the holocaust. By Occam's razor, that's a lot of really smart people, and I prefer having smart leaders.

Do you think the President of Mexico and Ukraine are Jewish because Mossad?

Let me guess, you think all the above is because they cheated?

wat10000•about 3 hours ago
You’d think he could have done better, what with all that foreign policy experience from his years on The Apprentice.
diogenescynic•about 2 hours ago
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dang•about 1 hour ago
Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? We've been having to ask you about this for years:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28364581 (Aug 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24207111 (Aug 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24195905 (Aug 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18550150 (Nov 2018)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16446553 (Feb 2018)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15459663 (Oct 2017)

p.s. It ought to go without saying, but this has nothing to do with the views that you're for or against. It's possible to make your substantive points without breaking HN's rules, so please do so.

grandpajoey•about 1 hour ago
I can't help but notice that you said you would ban this account and yet it's here again spreading hasbara.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48563886

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48768670

drivingmenuts•about 2 hours ago
Their PR machine is amazing in how it's conflated criticism of the Israeli government with anti-Semitism, in a country where religion and state are supposed to be separate (not that we're very good at that, mind you). And they've convinced the world that the Holocaust somehow allows them to perpetrate the same crimes against humanity with impunity.

It's incredibly frustration because the only "reasonable" opinion allowed is full-throated support of Israel or else. There's no allowance for nuance.

eucryphia•about 1 hour ago
While the IRGC works out how to eliminate Jews from the planet.

“First they come for the Saturday people”

grandpajoey•about 1 hour ago
This is an absurd statement. Israel has been killing innocent people in the region since it was created. Iran is right to stand up to them. Bonus points that as an American they're also standing up for me against the Zionists who manipulate my government and steal my money.
cramer4next•about 1 hour ago
I'm an American for sure doesn't represent me or are they standing up for me. You obviously don't listen to their supreme leaders hate speeches.
grandpajoey•39 minutes ago
We are aligned against Zionism. Few countries are willing to stand up to Israel and Iran is #1 in that regard. Iran is the only country fighting the people bribing and blackmailing my government, stripping my rights and stealing my money.
romanhounds•about 1 hour ago
lmao IRGC isn't rolling on the US, neither is islam in general if that's where you were trying point to that in the silence.
Hikikomori•about 3 hours ago
Can't believe that Israel would do something they've done several times already.
diogenescynic•about 2 hours ago
They killed their own citizens on October 7th just to pump up the numbers. There are recordings made public where Ben Gvir is ordering more killings. I can't stand how our mainstream media completely ignores all of Israel's crimes. Even when Israelis come here to sexual assault people in Las Vegas, or open biolabs, or steal technology... it's always swept under the rug.
CamperBob2•about 3 hours ago
Launch an unprovoked attack, do it under cover of negotiation, and then attack diplomatic envoys.

Belligerence, perfidy, and I don't even know the term for that last part, it's so unheard-of. We have violated rules of warfare that were already old thousands of years ago.

At what point do we admit we're the bad guys?

cassianoleal•42 minutes ago
> At what point do we admit we're the bad guys?

There had already been so many chances in the last couple centuries. I'm not holding my breath.

sbayg•about 3 hours ago
When we killed Kennedy. That was the point we should have admitted being the bad gays.
Avicebron•about 3 hours ago
Are you posting from tel aviv?
CamperBob2•about 3 hours ago
No, I'm just forced to pay for it. Why do you ask?
cramer4next•about 2 hours ago
I didn't think Iran had internet access except through Russian gateways for the wealthy? Are you by chance in the Cali "Little" Iran district?
aaomidi•about 2 hours ago
Iran has Internet access friend.
Avicebron•about 2 hours ago
you got me, oy vey
tanseydavid•about 2 hours ago
Every time I see a photo of Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran, Abbas Araghchi, I instantly think I am looking at a picture of author Nicholas Nassim Talib (Black Swan, Fooled by Randomness).

Am I the only one?

jLaForest•about 2 hours ago
You mean again because they already attempted to assainate peace negotiators in Doha months ago
bruhlikereally•about 3 hours ago
Gotta be the most “water is wet” headline I’ve ever read. They literally did this already.
janalsncm•about 2 hours ago
When you say “water is wet” and someone asks for evidence, now you will have evidence.
cramer4next•about 2 hours ago
I don't necessarily look at a newspaper article as evidence. Especially when all the sources are "A U.S. official". Source quaility maters which is consistent with criminal case law.
throw310822•about 2 hours ago
We deny with all force this slanderous libel that evil people keep spreading because of their senseless hatred. Water is not just not wet, it's in fact the dryest imaginable substance. We have tested it thoroughly in our laboratories- which as everybody knows are the most advanced in the world- and we have found in it not the slightest amount of wetness. I have personally spoken with the US ambassador about this matter and he reaffirmed the complete trust of his country in the absolute dryness of water.
actionfromafar•about 2 hours ago
But is water still wet?