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pmg101•2 minutes ago
I had to press the Back button a LOT of times to get back to HN!
Bengalilol•16 minutes ago
Switzerland's real-time map of trains and public transport (zoom in on a city to view its public transport in real time). You can find boats too.

And if you check on/off the other options, you get way more informations.

https://maps.trafimage.ch/ch.sbb.netzkarte?lang=en&baselayer...

parkersweb•14 minutes ago
Bit puzzled by some of the station data. This train:

https://www.map.signalbox.io/?train=202607066710114&location...

is a train from Cambridge to Kings Cross - and in the side panel it shows it as calling at the new Cambridge South station. But Cambridge South isn't shown on the map. That's kinda understandable (because it opened a week ago), but Cambridge North (which opened in 2017) also isn't shown on the map. Neither are offered in any of the auto-complete dropdowns?

I'm wondering if the station data a static dataset which hasn't been updated in a long time?

maelito•about 2 hours ago
Checkout the French equivalent : https://carto.tchoo.net. Looks more complete.

Past similar HN submission got no attention, whereas the UK's top page. Interesting !

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45249351

spacedcowboy•3 minutes ago
Is the interesting part the upvotes, meaning there's more people interested in UK train networks than French ones ? And it's a comment on demographics ?

Or is the interesting part that the UK one is real-time, and the French one isn't (or at least, zooming in, I don't see them moving).

dominicrose•11 minutes ago
And to see the status (Ile-de-France only): https://ratpstatus.fr/trains.html
Shywim•about 1 hour ago
Note that carto.tchoo does not provide real position in real-time: it only has access to departures, stops, delays and suppressions and interpolate position based on this.

This means that if your train is running at half-speed or stopped but does not result in an official delay, the position will not match reality.

KlutzySofa•about 2 hours ago
The title matters a lot. Without "real-time" this submission has likely gotten the same lack of attention.
windowliker•30 minutes ago
That's no surprise. The French equivalent of anything rail related is always more complete than the UK.
sschueller•27 minutes ago
Shameless self-promotion: I make a departure board for the Swiss public transportation network: https://www.stationdisplay.com/
panick21_•8 minutes ago
I suggest you adjust your search results based on population. If I search for 'Luzern' it suggests 'Eschenbach'.
jeroenhd•19 minutes ago
Dutch (and Dutch-bound) rail network overview: https://treinposities.nl/ And the equivalent for buses: https://busposities.nl/ Not all of them have GPS trackers, so some positions are guessed.

There's functionality for this in the official Dutch Railways app, but it looks like they didn't bother putting that onto their website. There is a common source of open data for most of these details, but I don't find the docs to be very complete.

AJRF•about 2 hours ago
> Signalbox's technology identifies the train a device is on by matching a snapshot of smartphone data to a train’s trajectory data. The technology uses advanced algorithms works even with severely degraded data. We are able to pinpoint a smartphone to any type of train without background location tracking or hardware.

Hmm, that's...interesting?

vaillancourtmax•about 2 hours ago
Seems similar to Transit's approach: https://blog.transitapp.com/go-underground/
amelius•35 minutes ago
Meanwhile, other engineers are working on reducing the vibrations.
ed_elliott_asc•about 2 hours ago
I wonder what app has allow location on all the time and is feeding them their data
bcraven•about 2 hours ago
"Acquired by Trainline in 2023, Signalbox works with organisations across the rail ecosystem to improve customer information and operational awareness."

https://www.signalbox.io/news/southeastern-launches-track-my...

AJRF•about 2 hours ago
Few questions, wonder if anyone knows the answers:

1. So it's Trainline on a persons phone that is tracking this info and using it to enrich this service? I use Trainline and didn't know it was doing that, but I do have location permissions on because I was told that powered the search picker when I started using the app.

2. What did they use _before_ Trainline? Or was Trainline selling user location data to them?

redeyedtreefrog•39 minutes ago
Would be better if it had some technical explanation rather than just yet another public transport map. This:

https://vgcgroup.co.uk/news/signalbox-for-train-locations/

suggests the data mostly comes from railway signalling information, plus a bit of "AI" in some way. I wonder how far apart railway signals usually are, or what the AI is trained on, or anything really vs just looking at a map.

drej•about 1 hour ago
There's one for the Czech network (one of the densest in the world, if not the densest) https://grapp.spravazeleznic.cz
ctphipps•about 1 hour ago
Tokyo equivalent with animated trains, weather, flights and more: https://minitokyo3d.com/
CivilR•about 2 hours ago
Here is the map made by the Swedish transport authority: https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tagkarta/
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robin_reala•about 2 hours ago
This only seems to be standard overground trains. If you add in metro networks like the London tube, or light rail / trams like in Manchester, then you’d get at least hundreds more.
jordand•about 2 hours ago
The map includes metros across the Tyne and Wear Metro in NE England, and while its not perfect, it's by far the most useful train live tracking I've ever seen. There's quite a few places in the UK with different rail systems that don't fit together (and have apps of varying quality/usefulness)
niknight•about 1 hour ago
Boston: https://tmap.live.

London: https://londonunderground.live

this reminds me of the London specific equivalent posted awhile back: https://londonunderground.live (previously discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43651390).

haunter•about 1 hour ago
andredlng•about 2 hours ago
I would love to see this for Germany :D
fuzzy2•about 1 hour ago
https://travic.app/

Basically all of Europe, with varying levels of detail.

ExMachina73•about 1 hour ago
Munksgaard•about 1 hour ago
Here's the Danish one (with some trains in Sweden): http://landetspuls.dk
a_c•about 1 hour ago
Off-topic, I don't get why people still use a www subdomain, especially so in this case, www.map. Conway's Law in action?
jaffa2•35 minutes ago
why dont you get it? i dont' get why you dont get it.
HaphazardGuess•about 2 hours ago
very cool. Unrelated but anytime im looking at a map be it city roads, rails subway, etc i wish there was a way to filter the layers based on construction date.

I would like to be able to see when each road/section was built. I assume with GoogleEarth and other databases it should be possible to run some kind changelog comparison and do this at scale for at least the last 20 years or so.

_joel•about 1 hour ago
Used this many times during the longer commutes across country, works well.
IshKebab•about 1 hour ago
Is this actually based on GPS (or similar) on the trains, or is it just interpolating signal times (which are waaaay coarser)?
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philipwhiuk•about 2 hours ago
Topping out at 10 minutes delay for the most severe marker colour is an interesting choice.
windowliker•19 minutes ago
IIRC 10 minutes is the minimum threshold for a train to be officially considered as delayed.
xnorswap•about 2 hours ago
It would be better if they were aligned to the delay repay thresholds.
mschuster91•about 1 hour ago
Certainly would not work out in Germany LOL
ErroneousBosh•about 1 hour ago
It's amazing how easily you can tell when you cross the border from OBB to DB ;-)
nephihaha•36 minutes ago
A couple of obvious observations: * Does not include Northern Ireland or the Isle of Man, both of which have notable rail networks (as they are not in GB). * Does not include heritage railways. There are a number of other railways on here which are not marked but offer tourist travel.
scoot•26 minutes ago
I live next to a railway line so I'm in the (not particularly unique, and definitely not enviable) position to compare what's on the map to "IRL" trains, and I can tell you it's as good as useless.

  - Trains appearing on the map that aren't anywhere to be seen on the tracks.
  - Trains on the tracks that don't appear on the map.
  - Trains moving away from the station that according to the timetable view shouldn't have left the station yet.
  - Trains on the map seemingly stopping and changing direction, only to reverse course once again.
The map shows a single line segment for what is in fact a multi-line stretch of railway. That's okay as a simplification (I guess), but the icons aren't pinned to the line, so appear to be driving off the track, or even on the adjacent street.

As for realtime - even if the data was accurate and timely, a 2Hz refresh rate most definitely isn't realtime.

Sorry if it seems like I'm shitting on it - it's a fun toy, but I wouldn't depend on it for anything important.

windowliker•6 minutes ago
>it's a fun toy, but I wouldn't depend on it for anything important.

This could be said for the rail network as a whole.

Neglect and underinvestment over the last 60+ years has left it in a sorry state, and debacles such as HS2 show how government has no ability to deliver proper material upgrades to the aging infrastructure and service. The direction of travel (scuse the pun) has been clear since the Beeching cuts: roads are the priority. Add to that Neoliberal divestment policies and we end up where we are today: overcrowded, filthy, ugly trains barely fit for cattle transport and chronically understaffed stations and train crews. Not to mention the extortionate prices for a ticket to travel on the network.

I adore rail travel, but dread the necessity of using it any time I go on a journey.

inglor_cz•about 2 hours ago
I remember my colleague from MFF UK, Robert Babilon, producing his first real-time map of Czech trains in 2004.

The page, called Babitron, still exists and still keeps that delightful 2004 look. I visited it a few days ago. Unfortunately today there is a message "We are moving Babitron to a different server", so the link isn't working.

https://kam.mff.cuni.cz/~babilon/zpmapa2

steamsloth•40 minutes ago
Perhaps I’m going mad based off the praise heaped in other responses, but - something seems wildly off with the locations?

I just witnessed a London Liverpool street service plough through the M25 motorway - about 40 miles south of it's typical route and 5 miles south of the nearest actual railway. Dozens of the trains seem to be traversing through the English channel/La Manche towards the north sea.

In fact the number of trains actually tracking a rail line (and this is outside of the cities where the tube/metro might obscure this) seems in the minority. Most seem to be going straight through the middle of farmers fields on some obscure course unrelated to theirs.

flanked-evergl•about 1 hour ago
Would be useful if they add real time cop location information so you can avoid getting arrested for the crime of being white while being assulted.
crimsoneer•about 1 hour ago
This feels like a weird takeway to take from this!

Out of curiousity, where are you from? I find it interesting where only people who get so exercised about the UK get their info from...

ErroneousBosh•about 1 hour ago
This map is for the UK, not the US. We don't have ICE here.
iso1631•7 minutes ago
It's a reference to the murder of Henry Nowak, a sad example of knife crime which exists in the uk, and of individual police officers who failed to render basic first aid.

The family not only lost their son, but then had to see his name used to further the global hatred of the farage types

nephihaha•38 minutes ago
Most of the UK. Northern Ireland's network is not included.