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aurareturn•about 1 hour ago
Why is it a big deal?

Nvidia invested $2b into CoreWeave for 9% equity stake. CoreWeave is spending $35b in CapEx in 2026. Therefore, Nvidia's investment is only 5.7% of CoreWeave's single year CapEx. The other $32b is coming from other sources that isn't Nvidia. This is hardly circular.

Nvidia invests in Neoclouds because it's a hedge against hyperscalers having too much power, ie designing and prioritizing their own chips, and not fully using Nvidia's rack design. Neoclouds give hyperscalers competition. Neoclouds accept Nvidia investments because it allows them to secure Nvidia chips first, which is a competitive advantage since new Nvidia chips have been as much as ~5-20x more efficient than old Nvidia chips.

Nvidia was planning to directly compete against hyperscalers through DGX Cloud. They cancelled public DGX Cloud access when they found that investing in Neoclouds would accomplish the same goals without having to compete against their biggest customers.

If you're Nvidia, it's smart because Neoclouds that you have a large stake in will deploy your full stack from GPUs to networking to storage racks. They will share valuable usage data back to you so you can design a better next generation. Hyperscalers are likely a lot less cooperative, prefer to use their own designs if possible, and will guard their usage data.

KaoruAoiShiho•about 1 hour ago
You're probably just responding to the headline but this person is an AI bull and isn't claiming it's a big deal, she's going into it and explaining it.
hirako2000•3 minutes ago
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aurareturn•about 1 hour ago
It's a bad headline because most of the article isn't about circular financing and it's only 5.7% of anyway.
anon291•about 1 hour ago
All financing is circular. This concern is beyond the pale contrived

Financing is circular because creating a liability for one party (debt) creates an asset for another (the bank) off of which more debt can be secured

A bank / financier sells trust and reassurance. They otherwise invent most money from thin air.

charcircuit•about 1 hour ago
Would this author prefer that Nvidia buy equity using GPUs directly? I don't think it actually counts as circular.
484994949595•about 1 hour ago
boomers will "invest" at a loss in anything that has the AI tag, this is a non issue. the whole ecosystem can bled cash for another couple years while the usual suspects blabber on about the singularity to korean pension funds
paradoxyl•18 minutes ago
I predict a 2030 end date for the bubble, as that is when many globalist think tanks declare they will invade Russia to take their resources, and it's unlikely even China can ignore that, and here comes World War III.
Mistletoe•about 1 hour ago
Isn’t that just what people tell themselves at the top?

https://www.currentmarketvaluation.com/models/s&p500-mean-re...