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sebastiennight•about 7 hours ago
Of course we launched our Telegram channel just this weekend, so I am feeling pretty happy that I enforced a 15-year old SOP that says "never email links to 3rd-party domains ; always use a redirect"...

Swapping the redirect now for telegram.me, which hopefully won't go down simultaneously

ars•about 7 hours ago
I would do something that isn't *.me, since it was them that suspended it.
walrus01•about 6 hours ago
.is might be a choice, since archive.is continues to be available despite many legal threats

You don't have to be an Icelandic national to register a .is

ventegus•about 4 hours ago
kiwifarms and sci-hub have been kicked off .is
pixel_popping•about 6 hours ago
.is is a very resilient TLD indeed, and it's well known in some communities.
lbotos•about 6 hours ago
I think you misunderstood -- OP is running op-s-domain.com/telegramchat -> redirect t.me.

They updated op-s-domain.com/telegramchat -> redirect telegram.me.

cmeacham98•about 6 hours ago
I think you also misunderstood, they are suggesting OP redirect to a telegram domain that isn't on the .me TLD, as the other .me is potentially at risk of also being taken down.
grayhatter•about 7 hours ago
I appreciate the idea, I'll happily adopt your SOP, seems pretty useful

thanks

water-data-dude•about 7 hours ago
You can read an explanation of the status codes on the icann website.

The explanation for clientRenewProhibited was interesting:

"This status code tells your domain's registry to reject requests to renew your domain. It is an uncommon status that is usually enacted during legal disputes or when your domain is subject to deletion."

Similar language for some of the other statuses like serverDeleteProhibited.

https://www.icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited

ivanmontillam•about 7 hours ago
But if you check the domain's expiration date, it's far away in year 2035.

To the best of my knowledge, a domain can only be renewed in advance for up to 10 years.

(that could be the reason for that status).

chrisweekly•about 7 hours ago
(2035 is less than 10 years from now)
ivanmontillam•about 7 hours ago
(Yes, but it expires at 2035-05-20. If you count years by rounding up to integers, there's not enough time room to renew it an additional year. It would make it 11 years.)
shishcat•about 7 hours ago
I think they just flagged all locks in their admin portal. Like this: https://imgur.com/a/zoTQbwn
michalpleban•about 6 hours ago
The status that actually says the domain is suspended is serverHold.
jonchurch_•about 4 hours ago
Came to say this, ICANN says:

“This status code is set by your domain's Registry Operator. Your domain is not activated in the DNS.”

Also the serverDeleteProhibited status is active, which ICANN also admits is a weird and rare one:

“This status code prevents your domain from being deleted. It is an uncommon status that is usually enacted during legal disputes, at your request, or when a redemptionPeriod status is in place.”

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/epp-status-codes-2014-...

anigbrowl•about 6 hours ago
Telegram is currently the target of legal/regulatory investigations by Russia (alleged extremism), France (likewise), and India (alleged facilitation of national exam leaking/cheating). I'm guessing the latter since it's the most recent and arguably has the most fiscal heft.

Also very surprised to see Telegram was reliant on GoDaddy, notorious for its lack of transparency.

ilaksh•about 6 hours ago
But Telegram hasn't engaged in that, some of their users have.

I think the issue might be that although Telegram has a lot of abuse takedown activity, they do not permit access or direct action by authorities. If I recall, they have reiterated many times that some level or types of messages always remain private.

Maybe that's the issue is that a lot of illicit activity is going on in private channels and whether or not their filtering addresses it at all, authorities see the activity and have no access for court cases or direct action against it, so they can imagine it is quite rampant.

anigbrowl•about 5 hours ago
I'm not making an argument about who's right or whether these disputes have any merit, I'm just trying to guess who might have had the inclination and legal resources to make this happen.
kajman•about 6 hours ago
I always figured telegram got the screws turned on them all the time because their lack of E2E encryption meant it was viable to demand they proactively police the platform in the first place. Maybe Signal would just be outright blocked in these locales if it was anywhere near as popular, though.
ufmace•about 3 hours ago
I don't think anyone cares about E2E encryption as much as tech people think.

For all of the much-vaunted complains about their lack of it, I am not aware of any proof or credible claims that Telegram the company has ever revealed the contents of non-encrypted messages or group chats.

Meanwhile, I don't think any authorities actually care about to what extent E2E Encryption makes it harder for Signal the corporation to extract message data. There's plenty of other ways to skin that cat - on-device compromises, abuse of backup mechanisms, abuse of mechanisms to manage linked devices, etc. They'd go after them just the same if they thought there was anything they really wanted on there.

If there's any real difference, I think it's most likely because many more of the group chats that such authorities are aware of and find "interesting" are on Telegram because basically nobody really does E2E well in medium-large groups right now.

inigyou•about 4 hours ago
They generally don't have to proactively police it, but they have to answer court orders in every country that has courts, or they'll be in trouble in that country. And countries are free to cooperate with each other to enforce these.

Pavel Durov was arrested when he traveled to France because Telegram was noncompliant with French court orders. You can ignore them in Russia... you can't ignore them in France. And you can ignore Russian court orders in France but not in Russia. And the Russian or Indian court is free to ask the Montenegrin government to suspend your domain name and the Montenegrin government is free to agree or disagree.

hnlmorg•about 5 hours ago
Signal is already well known to governments. In fact a few years ago there was a report in the UK media about how some governments used signal instead of official channels like email and did so because of Signals disappearing messages feature (ie making those MPs less accountable).
milkshakes•about 6 hours ago
in fact, telegram does support e2e encryption ("secret chats")
inigyou•about 5 hours ago
Telegram shields its users from such requests.

Other platforms either don't have the requested data (Signal) or willingly hand it over when they get a court order to (Facebook). When Telegram gets a court order it ignores the court order and then makes Pavel Durov hard to physically find and therefore arrest. One can only guess what motivations he has for this.

So courts seek alternative enforcement mechanisms.

axus•about 6 hours ago
Not every country has DMCA safe harbor for service providers. A crap sandwich may taste horrible but it has bread.
joe_mamba•about 6 hours ago
>But Telegram hasn't engaged in that, some of their users have.

Yeah, but government workers just want a legal slam dunk to call it a day and collect the glory, and it's always easier to go after the platform where the crimes are being discussed, rather than after the individual users actually committing the crimes.

It's how government, prosecution and law enforcement jobs are incentivized to operate.

inigyou•about 4 hours ago
It's more likely they did go after the individual users, by sending a demand to Telegram to identify the users, and Telegram refused.
indolering•about 6 hours ago
Montenegro (.me) seems to be aligned with the EU. But I would have expected there to see a legal ruling in France before Montenegro would do this sort of thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if GoDaddy caved to request. They are known for giving up domains to anyone with a badge and a fax machine!

dylan604•about 5 hours ago
Is the badge really that much of a requirement? I mean, if you have a fax machine, you must be a legit source to make that request.
inigyou•about 4 hours ago
serverHold status means registry, not registrar, hold - the relevant protocol (not WHOIS) has the registry as the server, as you'd expect. But you are right about GoDaddy and they are a strange choice.
KomoD•about 4 hours ago
Yep.

clientHold = registrar (GoDaddy)

serverHold = registry (Montenegrin Registry)

RJSquirel•about 6 hours ago
I can't believe they use GoDaddy as a registrar.
Brushfire•about 6 hours ago
insanity. it almost undercuts everything they do.
sneak•about 4 hours ago
Wait until you hear that the chats aren’t end to end encrypted.
zuzululu•about 5 hours ago
i think it makes perfect sense if you understand what telegram is and which country it benefits
gruez•about 5 hours ago
Since when did registars care about the political positions of its clients? They could have registered on cloudflare or namecheap and I doubt they'd bat an eye. Telegram is mainstream enough that nobody is going to cancel them, unlike kiwi farms or 4chan.
culi•about 5 hours ago
Clue me in? Is GoDaddy particularly censorial as a registrar?
lgats•about 4 hours ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3381822 still holding Godaddy's support for SOPA against them
stavros•about 5 hours ago
GoDaddy is just a general clusterfuck of arbitrary decisions. I don't have anything ready offhand to point to, but the general consensus is that you should avoid GoDaddy pretty vehemently.
mplewis•about 5 hours ago
they're particularly incompetent
haskman•about 7 hours ago
We only recently started moving the Functional Programming India community from Telegram to Zulip. That decision is looking better and better!
Imustaskforhelp•about 7 hours ago
Zulip is amazing. Nothing against that but what are your thoughts on fluxer and the others (recently chatto seems interesting, matrix, stoat are interesting options as well).

Also awesome initiative by the way, how did you end up making it and I'd love to know some backstory about it actually as well.

kaladin-jasnah•about 6 hours ago
Not the original commenter, but Matrix is awful. I used it on and off, and self-hosted it too. It's slow, bloated (I'm pretty sure I tried other homeservers). The app UI/UX is not great either. The E2EE stuff got better by the end but adoption-wise I was able to get way more people on Signal.
orbital-decay•about 3 hours ago
Matrix the protocol is just fine, and all features you expect are there. Their problem is with actual apps that either don't support most of good features, are unpolished to the degree of being unusable, or both.
sfdlkj3jk342a•about 4 hours ago
I agree that Matrix has a lot of problems, at least when used with the Element app, but I've found that voice calls are much better with Matrix compared to Signal over a flaky network. It was as good as WhatsApp in my experience.
Imustaskforhelp•about 6 hours ago
For matrix, I don't use the original client but rather cinny. This client is so good that I wish that other clients and it looks really good in UI/UX, honestly I have had some serious thoughts of porting this UI sometimes: https://cinny.in, so I would be curious what you think about this as well.

(Side note: Fractal and the matrix element fork called schildichat are interesting as well. It is also possible to run matrix in terminal for what its worth as well, and nhekochat is good as well. Fractal runs on gtk and nheko runs on qt. I do agree though that running matrix homservers is a bit bulky sometimes from what I have heard but the client scene is probably really good so I am curious what you think about cinny :-D )

markasoftware•about 5 hours ago
Its serverHold which means the .me registry took this action, not the registrar (GoDaddy).
shishcat•about 5 hours ago
Curiously, GoDaddy has a 38.352% stake in .ME registry services.
ventegus•about 7 hours ago
I went here for an IP to write in /etc/hosts and no one has posted it yet :(
shishcat•about 7 hours ago
dig +short @ns-cloud-b1.googledomains.com t.me

149.154.167.99

there you go

bryant•about 6 hours ago
They're in a position to get their own TLD (e.g .tgrm - edited from .tg); they should probably do this and run their own supporting infrastructure for it at this point.
noxvilleza•about 5 hours ago
.tg is already used by Togo, although .te is not taken.
RA2lover•about 5 hours ago
two-letter TLDs are reserved for country codes and not available for private use.
esseph•about 5 hours ago
Not available for private use isn't exactly true...
codedude64•about 7 hours ago
I don't understand I visited the whois site and it seems all it's fine but I don't know if this match with the following cases.

- The site was suspended but now it's ok - The site was not suspended - There is other information about telegram suspended

inigyou•about 4 hours ago
serverHold status means suspended.
driverdan•about 4 hours ago
Archive warrior's default project is mirroring t.me links. If you're running it you'll need to switch to a different project. It isn't handling the domain not resolving well, it stuck in timeout backoffs.
Tiberium•about 7 hours ago
Direct link to the registry to verify the domain status (JSON): https://rdap.identitydigital.services/rdap/domain/t.me, Ctrl+F for "server hold"
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pKropotkin•about 6 hours ago
NEVER use godaddy!
namegulf•about 5 hours ago
Yeah,a serverHold is placed by the Registrar.

It could be for a lot of reasons:

- spam, phishing or malware distribution

- contact verification issues

- trademark, copyright or cybersquatting legal issues

- or sometimes even errors or registrar transfer issues

It is a valuable and important domain for TG, most likely they'll resolve it soon

Krutonium•about 5 hours ago
serverHold is set by the owner of the TLD, not the registrar.
shishcat•about 5 hours ago
registry*
dgellow•about 7 hours ago
Seems to be working fine? What does suspended imply here?
Tiberium•about 7 hours ago
It might be working fine for you if the DNS server you're using hasn't propagated this change yet. The Google DNS server has: https://dns.google/query?name=t.me&rr_type=A&ecs=

Suspended means the "serverHold" status. I haven't found any official blog post/announcement yet, but the status is unambiguous, and the fact that it happened to one of the Telegram's main short links means that it might be related to legal matters.

yakohere•about 7 hours ago
I stored all of my user images links with t.me and on my telegram mini app all users profile don't show the image. Switching to telegram.me
ars•about 7 hours ago
That's not likely to help, it was the .me people that suspended it, they will likely do the same with telegram.me
yakohere•about 7 hours ago
for a second I thought i was hacked
NDlurker•about 7 hours ago
Any explanation?
KasianFranks•about 3 hours ago
This what's called a golden share.
KomoD•about 4 hours ago
No announcement from Durov yet...
orliesaurus•about 5 hours ago
centralized dns is always going to give some people headaches, but works for 99.9% of the rest of the people
withinrafael•about 7 hours ago
Didn't t.me also support showing previews of entire channels? Perhaps they got hit with a take-down of sorts due to content (e.g., CSAM) on any particular channel?
monkeywork•about 7 hours ago
someone enforcing a min character policy on them?
shishcat•about 7 hours ago
No. There are still many 1 char .ME domains available, and they've always costed an high price. https://imgur.com/a/0NL7oA6
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shishcat•about 7 hours ago
serverHold means like "suspicious activity, domain is administratively held and taken off dns"
zuzululu•about 5 hours ago
i really hope this is it from telegram. its downright causing havoc in countries without the jurisdictional power like korea and japan which have seen insane rise in drug related crime especially in japan they have a new wave of crime from anonymous telegram operators running human cell crime ops
fsuts•about 4 hours ago
If telegram disappeared then others would immediately take its place.

Telegram also isnt device to device fully encrypted unless you use a more limited private chat and, as Telegram uses googles messaging service, so likely compromised to NSA anyway.

inigyou•about 4 hours ago
That's why they keep getting in trouble. They're not E2EE, but keep refusing court requests just because "we don't wanna"
fsuts•about 4 hours ago
They moved to Dubai?

So if a court order is obtained in UAE then they will likely comply, but not from other countries?

el_io•about 4 hours ago
A domain ban won't be 'it' for telegram.
inigyou•about 4 hours ago
What counts as drug related crime?
EGreg•about 7 hours ago
This is what the problem is with DNS.
petcat•about 7 hours ago
Telegram was always shady as hell.
qurren•about 7 hours ago
Yep, I would never use a registrar called "go daddy". It always sounded like a registrar for noobs that will take adverse actions to "protect" you and this only confirms this.
Tiberium•about 7 hours ago
The "serverHold" status is not set by GoDaddy, but by the actual .ME registry https://domain.me/

GoDaddy could apply "clientHold" but not "serverHold"

glitchy99•about 7 hours ago
Weird. The .me registry specifically says there are no restrictions and even advertises Telegram.
loloquwowndueo•about 7 hours ago
What’s your beef? The name? Because I’ve been super happy with porkbun but damn, that name… and then the official-sounding ones like network solutions are quite shady. don’t judge a registrar by its name I guess.
d3Xt3r•about 7 hours ago
Not the person you replied to, but GoDaddy are (or at least, were) pretty infamous for their sleazy and sexist ads, eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi0AqS4e6NI

So I can't imagine any serious organisation wanting to do business with them, unless they're a sleazy organisation themselves.

Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_GoDa...

cubefox•about 6 hours ago
The ad is not sexist, it's sexy/sexualized and humourous, which is something else. And of course it is from 2010, just before the great ... cultural shift.
qurren•about 7 hours ago
It just doesn't sound professional, and I wouldn't want some "daddy" in a garage in charge of my domain name.
yreg•about 6 hours ago
Also namecheap sounds shit, but afaik they have good reputation.
mfkp•about 4 hours ago
They used to, before they got bought out by private equity and started jacking up the rates. Moved all my domains to porkbun since then.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45243123

inigyou•about 4 hours ago
Not so much any more but I don't remember why. At least they started raising prices. Porkbun is the new Namecheap.

If you are set on Namecheap anyway, Spaceship is a suggested replacement. It's run by Namecheap but with a new codebase.

bawolff•about 7 hours ago
I mean, there was that whole elephant hunting thing...
Waterluvian•about 7 hours ago
It’s absolutely #%^*ing bizarre to me how many 500+ employee tech companies use it. I just don’t get it. I know IT isn’t web developers but they ought to at least have better opinions on this kind of thing?
iamnothere•about 3 hours ago
GoDaddy is a shit registrar, but it has nothing to do with the name. You shouldn’t be basing your choices (or your HN recommendations) on product names, domain names, or other similar “vibes-based” reasoning.

FWIW, I have also never liked the name, but the name is just marketing. This should rank very low in your decision matrix, hopefully.

tarr11•about 7 hours ago
Which do you recommend?
belorn•about 7 hours ago
I would recommend a registrar that would explain to the customer why they would not want a .me domain for anything critical unless the person lives in Montenegro and trust the Government of Montenegro to maintain a good and trust worthy registry.

Otherwise just use which ever registrar is cheapest and who you think will handle any quirks or shenanigans that registries may do to domains you own, and which own system and processes hold high enough standard for you.

FabCH•about 5 hours ago
What’s with the shade on Montenegro? .me is a perfectly normal domain.

And the government doesn’t even operate the registrar, it’s operated by doMEn d.o.o. which is a Montenegro version of an LLC.

conception•about 7 hours ago
porkbun are great
pibaker•about 6 hours ago
There is nothing Porkbun or any other registrar can do if Montenegro decides to suspend the domain, which seems to be what actually happened.
Drakim•about 7 hours ago
I also recommend porkbun
5701652400•about 7 hours ago
squarespace is legit. GCP cloud domains are moved to them.
arjie•about 6 hours ago
Never had any trouble with them, but also moving away from them is unnecessarily hard (the code sometimes takes a day to arrive) and they cover the entire interface with their paid hosting stuff which makes them a poor registrar. I ended up on them because of Google Domains selling off but got off them because very annoying to use.
lolinder•about 7 hours ago
I'd honestly be careful with squarespace. They are owned by private equity, advertise on countless YouTube channels, and at the same time their core market is under a looming threat from the AI companies.

You need your domain registrar to be stable and predictable. Their profile is not that.

SoftTalker•about 7 hours ago
I've never had a problem with Namecheap but I'm not sure they are really any better as I've never had a problem with GoDaddy either.
sebastiennight•about 7 hours ago
My understanding is that both GoDaddy and Namecheap used to do domain front running[0] at the time I was registering my first handful of commercial domains, so I've always avoided even using their search engines.

I wonder if the practice still exists.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_tasting#Domain_name_fro...

glitchy99•about 7 hours ago
My bank automatically blocks payments to Namecheap. When I had domains with them, I had to call and give prior approval for the exact amount I would be paying. My bank claimed it was because of a high number of fraudulent charges.
kennywinker•about 7 hours ago
Namecheap got bought by private equity fairly recently, so i switched away from them. Wouldn’t recommend starting with them just in time for the enshittification to start.
rationalist•about 7 hours ago
Dynadot. One of the largest registrars, and very competitive pricing like Namecheap. They also have very good features.
drdexebtjl•about 6 hours ago
I’ve been happy with Gandi.net for years now. They’re based in France.
FabCH•about 5 hours ago
FYI - Gandi was great, but they got bought by private equity a few years back and the price skyrocketed and service went downhill super fast after the buyout.
konart•about 7 hours ago
I'm quite comfortable with Netim
s13k•about 7 hours ago
porkbun
neverusingit•about 7 hours ago
Stupid fucking name
wwalexander•about 5 hours ago
Cloudflare
qurren•about 7 hours ago
AWS Route53 or Namecheap
IAmGraydon•about 7 hours ago
Cloudflare
axus•about 6 hours ago
So far so good, for personal use; they have the lowest renewal prices for top level domains.