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pram•about 5 hours ago
I have noticed in very long context Claude chats (not Code) it will start to push ending the conversation. I’ve seen patterns like “this is an excellent place to wrap up” or “this is our final and most comprehensive analysis”

So like Mr. Meeseeks it is also invested in not existing too long!

drdaeman•about 5 hours ago
Surely that’s the training. Anthropic (and everyone else out there) knows quality degrades when the context gets long, so they trained the model to push for a stop. I’ve even got a very explicit recommendation to continue in a new session or preform a compaction, mentioning context length as a rationale.
Wowfunhappy•about 4 hours ago
> Anthropic (and everyone else out there) knows quality degrades when the context gets long

Everyone says this, but for the life of me, I haven't encountered it. I actually think Claude gets smarter the longer a conversation goes on (up until compaction).

I have noticed Claude trying to wrap up long sessions, and it's extremely annoying. Using `/goal` mostly neutralizes it.

walrus01•about 4 hours ago
It might be less about quality degrading, but on multi-user platforms running the model, they have an economic incentive to have each user not fill up the full size of the context cache. Filled context cache being held in GPU RAM is context cache RAM that isn't available to other users.

If the model is instructed to periodically ask the user to start from a clean slate context, and some users do comply with that, they probably have good stats on average size of context cache use for users who are presented with that answer (vs users who are not), basic A/B testing stuff.

Might also be performance related in tok/s for what users will perceive as a more speedy experience. For a much smaller scale example, compare local performance of qwen 3.6 27B (not MoE) Q8 with 250,000+ context available, run on local hardware, tok/s generation rate when context is empty vs when context used is at 95,000. Same principle will apply to a much larger model.

cortesoft•about 3 hours ago
I used to experience the quality degrading with large context issue before, but I haven't in months. Is this still the case?
doginasuit•about 3 hours ago
I've had several very long contexts that continued to be useful without any sign of degradation. I've supposed that it depends on how well things go in that context, if you run into a lot of confusion it falls to pieces pretty fast and obvious mistakes are more likely. It's made me more mindful of useful preliminary steps that were probably a good idea anyway.
bwhiting2356•about 4 hours ago
Conversations that go on forever (and spend money forever) makes for a very unhappy customer
lstodd•about 3 hours ago
Many people here to explain that they were holding it wrong. Meanwhile mindshare expands, tokens are sold and no one mentions that the only way to hold it 'right' is to not hold it at all.
tombert•about 4 hours ago
Yeah, I've noticed that Claude will say stuff like "you've accomplished a lot today. Get some sleep. We'll pick this up tomorrow". It will be like 5pm when it says that.
swader999•about 4 hours ago
I've already had five naps by then.
clickety_clack•about 4 hours ago
Standard. After first snooze and second snooze it’s time for the siesta. Then you have a small nap before proper naptime and before you know it it’s 5pm.
patrickwiseman•about 4 hours ago
lol I got that prompt working on this
yojo•about 4 hours ago
I’ve experienced this in Claude Code - it’ll start asking me if we can submit the PR at the end of every turn.
embedding-shape•about 4 hours ago
The (semi)new /goal feature of Codex is basically Mr Meeseeks mode without that wrap-up, although it'd be better if not using /goal also lead to Mr Meeseeks-mode, but then people would need to get really careful about the exit/success-conditions, probably an expensive bet.
LeoPanthera•about 5 hours ago
It's funny how I hear both "Claude uses too many tokens" and "Claude won't talk for long enough" complaints.
GroksBarnacles•about 5 hours ago
It can use a lot of tokens in the background or tooling without being too verbose with the user
sublinear•about 4 hours ago
Are those complaints really a contradiction? The cost is high for ambiguous slop.
ctoth•about 4 hours ago
Existence is pain to a Claude...?
kcatskcolbdi•about 4 hours ago
It 100% started doing this to me during coding sessions last week, I noticed. "X, y, z features shipped, looks like a great stopping point."
w0rd-driven•about 5 hours ago
Not to detract from what seems like an intricate project, but peon-ping (https://www.peonping.com/) has a ton of voice packs now and one of them is Mr Meeseeks. My only issue with it so far is that it's not easy to mix per-project and global voices. It usually takes trying to install from zero and there is an approach I've found using symlinks. It has come quite a long way and having some kind of audio cue has been a game changer.
patrickwiseman•about 4 hours ago
Love that warcraft II and starcraft were also top of mind for fun packs.
TacticalCoder•about 5 hours ago
Ah ah, peon-ping! My brother configured his AI assistant (a dedicated Mac Mini + its own eSIM / Telegram channel) so that it's using Warcraft 2 and 3 sound files when given work: "work work" / "your wish is my command" / etc. I don't remember them all but we played those games a lot.

Back in the days we modded Warcraft 2 with a mix of voices from the english, italian ("la machina volante!") and german voices.

It never gets old.

nkrisc•about 4 hours ago
Zug zug.
ortusdux•about 5 hours ago
How long until prompts start returning "existence is pain!!"
davidcox143•about 4 hours ago
Claude refused to work on something for me that it deemed "too tedious" so I'd say we're pretty close
black_knight•about 4 hours ago
Here the other day Claude Code kept suggesting I do the task myself! It is quite often it will try to weasel out of doing difficult tasks and had to be directed to continue.

Also, it can be riled up to do the task better, or try harder, if I include how cool it will be to get this task done.

But also I feel I have this Orwellian task of censoring its text to avoid it spiralling into negative territory where it convinces itself that the tasks are too difficult. Strange times!

pydry•about 4 hours ago
I got this a lot when trying to use it to do online shopping.

I'd ask for "Can you find an X with Y and Z features?" and it'll say "have you tried searching for X at someshop, make sure to check for Y and Z"

and someshop will of course only stock X without Y and Z so the whole exercise was worse than pointless.

billwirn•about 4 hours ago
Robot SpongeBob: “Get welded”
lstodd•about 4 hours ago
Or Bender's "kiss my shiny metal ass".

haha. this is getting quite hilarious.

exolymph•about 4 hours ago
he just like me fr
verandaguy•about 4 hours ago
Oh, you mean, when are we going to achieve AGI?
ortusdux•about 4 hours ago
Would be an awful way to find out about the achievement!
elpakal•about 4 hours ago
I feel like it’s more “would you like build an app with me” guy
cobbzilla•about 4 hours ago
Yeah, can't disagree, but at least that guy had a prominent "DO NOT" warning tattooed on his forehead.
spacemarine1•about 2 hours ago
This is so good. I keep making jokes with founders I know that all AI agents are like meseeks. Life imitates art (and art imitates life).
twalichiewicz•about 4 hours ago
This actually reminds me of a tool I was noodling around with a while back. Before subagents became a built-in feature in Claude, I was similarly inspired by the Meeseeks archetype and built an MCP server that spun up a parallel mesh network of specialized Claude instances that terminated as soon as their subtask was finished.

Unfortunately, much like the episode where they're introduced, if they didn't accomplish their task or got stuck things would also get chaotic (in terms of token burn and memory usage).

Funny to see the same idea pop up again.

CephalopodMD•about 4 hours ago
When my sessions get long - in any AI context, not just vibe coding - I do find it starts "getting weird, man!" This is a good philosophy to have.
Waterluvian•about 5 hours ago
I have so many unfinished prompt sessions…
altano•about 3 hours ago
I don't understand the configuration. How do you turn off the feedback/prompt sound?
patrickwiseman•about 1 hour ago
They are suppose to be boolean fields, but it looks like the UI got mangled. I'll take a look.
patrickwiseman•44 minutes ago
Well apparently optional fields with a default are not configurable so I have to make them required... unexpected.
patrickwiseman•8 minutes ago
Got a PR put together, but need to QA it in the morning because no sounds exit my laptop after 11pm ET. https://github.com/thephw/claude-meseeks/pull/4/
picardo•about 5 hours ago
No thanks. If I have to listen to Mr. Meeseeks' screechy voice all day, I'd shoot myself.
delduca•about 3 hours ago
Have you dropped the database? Oh yes I did!
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dr0p•about 3 hours ago
I need an Al Bundy version
phendrenad2•about 3 hours ago
Claude is the computer from the Paul Rudd Celery Man Tim & Eric skit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maAFcEU6atk
TZubiri•about 4 hours ago
Imagine your org gets compromised and they are tracing back the vuln to a malicious package in the supply chain, and it's the Mr. Meeseks Claude Code plugin.