Topcoat: The full full-stack framework for Rust

frio•41 minutes ago

Exciting, but I’d give a lot for an equivalent to Django. There are very few problems I need to solve that are fixed by htmx style “full stack” apps, but many that are solved by the generated admin, authentication framework, caching, eventing etc.

Unfortunately, you end up bound to Python’s poor performance and poor typing stories, which Rust solves in spades.

westurner•17 minutes ago

Here's a v0.0.2 jinja2rs built on minijinja with optional python compatibility; CompatMode::Django(…) Django template language (filters, app-directory loader, auto-escape) :

jinja2rs::filters : https://github.com/westurner/dsport/blob/main/src/jinja2rs/s...

jinja2rs::filters::django : https://github.com/westurner/dsport/blob/main/src/jinja2rs/s...

Which Rust components are like the Django ORM and django.contrib.admin and DRF/FastAPI; with convention over configuration and tests and great docs?

carllerche•about 2 hours ago

I didn't expect to see this here yet. We opened up the repo because we ran out of private CI usage. A blog post is coming next week :). Happy to answer questions here though.

One thing to keep in mind, the main reason for Topcoat to exist is that many organizations are already using Rust for infrastructure-level or performance sensitive reasons and often just want to build a web app using the programming language they already use.

hobofan•about 1 hour ago

Hmm... I'm a big fan of a lot of the things that the tokio project has built and a happy user of axum.

I'm not sure that projects like Topcoat and something like their ORM is a great direction for the project, and worry that they will possibly gain outsized adoption in the community based on name recognition rather than merit.

carllerche•about 1 hour ago

I think it is highly likely topcoat / toasty will get split out. It is just work, especially since tokio-rs has more CI usage available than the default GitHub org.

BobbyTables2•about 1 hour ago

Does “full-stack” really mean “webserver + webpage” nowadays?

carllerche•about 1 hour ago

Roadmap: https://github.com/tokio-rs/topcoat/issues/104 ORM: github.com/tokio-rs/toasty

It is early, a lot is coming, but you can already build good stuff now.

27183•about 1 hour ago

Is the name a POR-15 product reference? Incredible if so :D

  \m/_(>.<)_\m/

newaccountman2•about 3 hours ago

I don't feel like this is solving the painpoints I feel in the Rust web framework ecosystem. And how is it full-stack if they don't have anything for the DB layer in here?

carllerche•about 2 hours ago

This will (very soon) integrate tighter with the Toasty ORM http://github.com/tokio-rs/toasty/. E.g. tight form -> record flow. We are shipping now though to get usage.

What pain points do you have in the Rust web framework ecosystem? Happy to hear.

the__alchemist•about 1 hour ago

Likewise. I'm commenting based on my position:

  - Rust Fanboy; use it in several domains (embedded, PC applications, bio/chem)
  - Web dev is the main thing I still use Python for, as there's nothing on Django's level.

Of interest: I am not a fan of Async in rust. I get that for web stuff it is a suitable model, but I still don't like it for no original reasons. As you stated, I don't feel like this is solving the missing aspects, e.g. auto migrations, admin, email, auth, etc.

carllerche•about 1 hour ago

Migrations: Done with Toasty (https://github.com/tokio-rs/toasty/) which I intended to be integrated tightly with topcoat. You can see a rough roadmap here, which will be posted: https://github.com/tokio-rs/topcoat/issues/104

Better to ship early and hear what people want though :)

goldturd•about 1 hour ago

Reminds me of if ruby had a baby with diarrhea.

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