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jasongi•33 minutes ago
The beauty of cat is that streams are the universal interface.

Program A might accept a file as the last positional arg. Program B might accept it as a named arg, where the name/flag could be anything from --input or -f or --file etc.

But a program will read from STDIN, which all good unix programs do, then piping cat into it works every time. I can write the cat foo.txt part before I even know what command I'm piping it into.

fuzzybear3965•25 minutes ago
This. Sometimes I want to see what I'm looking at and then (using that dump as a reference) follow up with a corresponding filter (| jq .key, or | tail -n 30). Sure, I could use less, but then I context switch on exit; no support from the scrollback buffer.

I've probably lost 10ms * 1E5 of my life from the extra PID. But, probably would lose more in the context switch.

internet2000•about 1 hour ago
> Piping a single file through cat spawns an entire process whose only job is to copy bytes to a program that already knew how to read them.

Chrome probably spawned two processes when I cmd+clicked this into a new tab. It really doesn't matter.

MPSimmons•42 minutes ago
Unless you're executing these commands in a loop over a large number of items, or the item itself is gargantuan, it's almost always harmless.

Personally, when I'm exploring, I build a command line iteratively. Cat the file to see the content, pipe to grep to get the lines I want, sed/awk/cut/etc to finagle from there.

floren•about 1 hour ago
if this wanton abuse of cat(1) doesn't stop, we're on track to run out of PIDs by 2031! Just because Unix makes it cheap and easy to fork doesn't mean you have to!

(who gives even a single shit, my god)

floralhangnail•23 minutes ago
Is this a dig at IPv6?
copperx•about 1 hour ago
I like piping the output of cat and the mental image of one process feeding another. It's inconsequential, but it brings an epsilon of joy.
djtriptych•33 minutes ago
same I just like monads lol. cat + pipe feels purer and has lower mental load for me, which dominates the efficiency of spawning an extra process for, typically, a few microseconds.
lifthrasiir•about 1 hour ago
Don't do this:

  cat file | wc -l            => wc -l < file
  cat file | head -n 5        => head -n 5 file
  cat file | awk '{print $1}' => awk '{print $1}' file
  cat file | sort             => sort file
Do this instead:

  cat file | wc -l            => <file wc -l
  cat file | head -n 5        => <file head -n 5
  cat file | awk '{print $1}' => <file awk '{print $1}'
  cat file | sort             => <file sort
The front-cat abuse is all about the order. The effective solution needs to keep the relative order of arguments.
stouset•about 1 hour ago
Or just use cat and spend your brainpower on interesting, useful, and/or worthwhile topics. It boggles my mind that anyone cares about this.
lifthrasiir•about 1 hour ago
Probably, but knowing that redirection operators can be freely moved within normal arguments [EDIT: thank ButlerianJihad for pursuing me to make this more accurate] is useful.
ButlerianJihad•about 1 hour ago
They are actually not “order-independent”, and their L-R parsing/processing is why constructs such as

  cat file > /dev/null 2>&1
work as intended.
andy99•39 minutes ago
Pretty sure everyone knows this. I still use cat, lots of reasons but the most compelling is that I’m piping the file contents somewhere and that somewhere may change or get added to, so I like to start with the “pure” stream from the file. If other people want to do it a different way, cool, I definitely don’t need a PSA about how I should be doing it.
petee•about 3 hours ago
> Since 1995, occasional awards for UUOC have been given out, usually by Perl luminary Randal L. Schwartz

http://catb.org/jargon/html/U/UUOC.html

Admittedly its taken me a long time to remember that the file is the last argument to grep, when so many other commands its the first. I'd guess common abuse is due to being easier to type cat x | than to dig up the man page

smelendez•about 2 hours ago
And also typing cat x to get a quick look at the file, hitting up, then piping that into another command and taking a look, hitting up, piping that result into a third command etc.
js2•about 2 hours ago
It's that way so that you can grep multiple files with a single pattern. It would be odd for the pattern to come after the file arguments. It also allows the files to be optional so that it can grep stdin.
soraminazuki•about 2 hours ago
The redirection operator is consistent and requires less typing though.

I guess the file is usually the last argument because it's the one that can be omitted.

copperx•40 minutes ago
I'll make a note of it in my AGENTS.md file.
antonvs•about 2 hours ago
Presumably written by someone without much interactive shell experience.

When you're building a pipeline, putting cat first can often be quite convenient. Essentially, it's more composable: it defines the input to the pipeline without committing to a specific tool. For example, you can up-arrow in the shell and change the part after the pipe without having to skip back past the filename.

In fact if you don't start with cat, it's possible you're more of a script kiddie than a software developer.

dminvs•about 1 hour ago
"Don't be a catgrepper"

- various HostGator employees, c. 2011

Shadowmist•about 2 hours ago
I’m going to keep doing it but wouldn’t mind it if my shell auto replaced it for me.
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jmclnx•about 2 hours ago
In this day an age this is still making rounds ? So this is the memory usage of cat on my system:

     VSZ   RSS    SZ CMD
    3252  1608   813 /bin/cat
To me there are far more things to worry about than cat. How about your multi-gig browser for one ?

Now for firefox:

        VSZ    RSS     SZ CMD
    3472212 395968 868053 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox
Maybe people should be looking at that ? I will not even get into modern Linux Desktops :)
pyrolistical•about 2 hours ago
I like putting the stdin before the command

< file grep abc

sprior•about 1 hour ago
I raised eyebrows recently when I was working with someone and we needed to create a file and instead of starting an editor I did: cat > filename ... Ctrl-D
bonsai_spool•about 1 hour ago
Why not touch or echo? No reason for an editor or cat
sprior•about 1 hour ago
For a one line file sure, but I was creating multiple lines.
stouset•about 1 hour ago
You can type the intended file contents as-is.