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He's eagerly awaiting his next hit of dopamine from his favorite model. He's setting timers to be ready for when his next hit comes available. He's spinning up unnecessary queries just to start the timer ticking on new models.
You could basically write the same article about some guy who sits in a casino all day eagerly awaiting double-your-winnings bonuses or similar.
"Not wanting to waste money" is the polar opposite of gambling.
Your post literally describes your fascination with trying to figure out the pattern of a "random" reward that you get, and trying to maximize the value you get out of it.
I put "random" in scare quotes because I strongly believe that—just as slot machine payouts are carefully structured to keep you playing—these LLM resets are structured to keep heavy users like you coming back to max out their usage, and to progressively upgrade it.
Several other commenters have also stated this same suspicion about the pattern of resets you're describing.
> "Not wanting to waste money" is the polar opposite of gambling.
From everything I've read about gambling addiction, particularly Jay Caspian Kang, that seems wrong.
The desire to "not waste money" and "get back to even" seems like a huge part of what motivates gamblers to keep gambling.
Like the LLM getting the solution right?
you're projecting, it's just insanely irritating to work with a tool that 1) limits its' own use 2) with a random interval.
keeping in mind that plenty of people are making money on token use..
this guy sets a timer to wake up for work; he appears to be addicted to work.
I also have a Netflix subscription. I watch a couple of things on it and stop. I don't think to myself I need to maximize my subscription so let me watch movies all the time and wake up at 2 AM to make sure the next movie starts.
Do you understand how the psychological response to the "random" disappearance of an annoyance is pretty much exactly the same as the psychological response to the "random" appearance of a reward?
I put "random" in square quotes because neither are in fact totally random, but both are clearly quite carefully engineered to provoke the desired response.
> you're projecting
I am not projecting. My total lifetime gambling consists of maybe 10 or 15 cash poker games with high school friends, ten minutes at a casino in Montréal which I found a revolting experience, and receiving a few $1 scratch lottery tickets as party favors.
What I read on social media about people and these resets gives off literal worst kind of addiction vibes. I've literally seen people talking about "Oh I had an existential crisis without Fable/GPT-5.6"
These people legitimately need help, or alternatively a social life.
Maybe its different on my end because I just use a sub outside of work for fun stuff. At work its not my money so I don't really care. I go to work, maybe use these subs at home every once in a while for a fun personal project and if I hit the limits (I rarely even do) I play video games or hang out with my wife/family.
People are borderline tying their identities to these models it seems, and yet most people aren't even building anything interesting.
Yes, 100%. The author seems to be describing, quite lucidly, how he is getting sucked into a gambling-like addiction to these LLMs… although he seems unaware of the implications of that.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48961596
1. The end of unlimited token subsidization and a new status quo of metered usage limits.
2. Adding to the above, self-initiated usage limit resets give you some control and again help lessen the sting of the end of subsidization.
Right now though, I think Anthropic and OpenAI are in open MAU war ahead of their respective IPOs and that might be a bigger factor.
WHen it doesn't turn out that way, it opens up options.
At the same time if other model providers were anticipating Anthropic or someone else to have problems at launch, and were waiting in the wings with their own models to launch competitively, it sets off a capacity release competition.
One might lower prices, one might give it away, or just make it available, and then there are users on other platforms with limits, or free until a certain day, etc.