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why are they still threatening to sue Andre Arko, and reporting him to the fbi?!
When I saw the postmortem or whatever it was called from schneems (and when I heard/saw he was involved and what he was doing) I really thought things were moving in the right direction.
A very common thing that happens in settlement of legal issues and even potential legal issues is: "you drop your claims and I'll drop mine".
He's shaming them for not backing down while he simultaneously will not back down. His framing is disingenuous.
He doesn't want a fair settlement and for parties to go their separate ways. He wants to wrestle control away from Ruby Central.
im not super familiar with this drama, so can you tell me where to find this information? the post indicates he just wants an apology and perhaps attorney fees covered.
Andre brings up legal risk but then does the stupidest, most self-destructive thing you can do if you're facing any kind of real legal problem.
He either doesn't think the threat is real (and thus blatantly lying) or he's writing this thinking it gives him more leverage.
As for where to find it? I'm not your search engine. There's google. even Search HN.
What the "real" or closer-to-the-truth statement is we may never be able to find out, but on some singular points both sides would have to agree, e. g. timeline (for the most part).
the language has improved in the recent additions - ractors, it's faster now & always a pleasure to write.
however the ruby ecosystem has a tendency to deny reality - ruby is falling down rankings - people deny that's false but everything points to that.
the ecosystem is not willing to move away from rails. & DHHs antics don't help either.
As a user, I have no complaints. Quite the opposite; I've been impressed by how well he is doing with it.
In fact EVERY time this topic comes up, you're all over it just like this.
Those of us who just want to get our work done do though. This whole drama is so exhausting and I'm not surprised by which party is still trying to draw the pitchforks out.
On other points I agree, and it is really unfortunate how things changed. I remember having used ruby before gems existed; then I think four guys (if I recall correctly) created gems within some days. From there it became more widely used.
Fast forward some time, until recently, and things really changed to the worse. The first time I noticed this was when suddenly shopify corporate hackers spawned over everywhere and, strangely enough, tried to dictate corporate behaviour and rules onto the ruby ecosystem. Tons of ruby devs were all employed by shopify, and shopify here behaved very strangely overall. The isssues were not the same as github and then github-Microsoft - something is really strange with shopify. One shopify corporate dev demanded that everyone must verify who they are before publishing to rubygems; another shopify dev tried to lecture me in how to use the official ruby tracker. I used that one for almost 15 years before and some young 20-years older corporate hacker suddenly tries to lecture people +twice their own age. Then suddenly the rules for rubygems.org also changed, to appease a corporate agenda:
https://rubygems.org/policies
They can hijack gems and not bother to notify you. (Naturally they need to be able to distribute the code, otherwise the gem ecosystem would make no sense, but look at the legalese crap - that is now a project under corporate control.)
What made me actually retire, after trying to talk some sense into these new accounts that seized control, was the 100.000 download limit. Past that point I can no longer remove my code (unless I delete my profile, which I did, since I don't accept shopify or whoever else hijack my code; note that on github I can remove my own code no matter how many downloads occurred. I also told rubygems.org to host gems THEY want to offer themselves, rather than abuse and force-restrict ruby developers as the 100k download limit was. That was the year before Hiroshi Shibata mass-purged ruby developers.)
The real tragedy, though, is not the in-fight between Arko and RubyCentral, whoever is the new corporate Overlord. The real tragedy is that financial interests can totally pwn an ecosystem. And unfortunately, I am also 100% certain that Hiroshi Shibata did not act on his own but had direct approval by matz, which makes this even more problematic. But anyway, I think rather than dwell on the past, one another disagreement I have with arko is that there indeed has to be a way to move forward. This won't be easy. IMO, the structure of ruby should be changed, to completely disentangle any financial interest that keeps on driving policy changes. That is, in my opinion, the biggest issue - while I blame shopify for the most part, the whole situation could be exploited by any other big money giver too. That's not good. That's not healthy. That should change.
The whole notion of constantly shuffling in different people into RubyCentral, in hope that this will "fix everything" ... is naive. That's not going to work. IMO, the better approach was when gems was run by people from the community. Yes, I understand the issue of funding and time allocation so I am not saying it has to be the way it used to be, even though I found the early days of ruby + gems MUCH much better than the shopify era (I am not even going into what DHH writes - even AI would get angry at having to write what DHH writes nowadays).
Unfortunately this is now a chicken-egg problem, because ruby is struggling - and declining, let's be honest here. The language in and by itself is great and I don't think anyone ever claimed otherwise about the language itself, it is well-designed. But the ecosystem changed, both due to external and internal reasons, and it has not changed to the better, IMO.
Yeah I was struck while reading this that they had multiple sponsors, enough money for multiple conferences, paid contributors both full and part time, and they obviously have enough money to pay lawyers. That's not a small amount of change. Most programming languages don't have nearly that level of support, so that's quite something for a language in decline, as you put it. Seems more like vultures picking a carcass than anything.