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mbgerring•about 1 hour ago
So is it just that these are people who haven’t personally experienced well-intentioned technology turning into a living nightmare? Watching the optimism and then collapse of Web 2.0 was a formative experience for me. I’m 38. Is this just naivete? What is this?
baron3dl•about 1 hour ago
Inevitablism, a fundamentalist belief system that resolves every moral hazard with an appeal to the inevitable. "we can't let someone else do this first"
goatlover•30 minutes ago
Like Edward Teller wanting to develop hydrogen bombs while Oppenheimer was trying to prevent an arms race from starting.
soco•41 minutes ago
"I will kill you now since you're dying anyway so just hand me all your money"
codeduck•about 1 hour ago
It's called being insulated from the immediate consequences of their actions and hubris.
Aurornis•38 minutes ago
> Watching the optimism and then collapse of Web 2.0

What collapse of web 2.0?

Technically the website we're on is web 2.0 because we're interacting as users.

I don't think it's naiveté on their part to want to build new things. I think you're just jaded and hyperfocusing on the negatives.

dag100•22 minutes ago
With some technologies, the negatives are so severe it is difficult to see how they outweigh the positives. Mind-control technology is quite frankly just asking to be abused. It's the ultimate relinquishment of power - you reveal your entire hand to someone else AND let them do what they want with it. I honestly don't understand how some people are so optimistic that they think this technology won't be misused in ways that massively overshadow the good that could be done with them.
kleiba2•37 minutes ago
To me, this reads as an attempt to raise easy investment money.
wuschel•25 minutes ago
"Die Gedanken sind frei..." - can someone guess them? A truly dystopian question.

It is been 10 years ago when I looked through some research in that area. Back then it was the problem to get enough good signal. Has the situation changed radically here for non-invasive electrodes or portable detectors?

I understand that the approach would be to turn weak signal, context, and LLM based signal processing into useful human computer interaction. For everything else, I have the feeling we are still in speculative territory.

mosura•32 minutes ago
I think this is actually marginally less evil than Meta Tribe. The whole neuro space is dangerous and while people go on about “AI safety” the world will trend towards this madness.

And this will provoke “well we need to regulate AI then”. No, you need to regulate poking around in people’s brains without asking them before that becomes normal.

dudefeliciano•about 1 hour ago
well she is only 23 so naivete would make sense, although it looks like she held some AI safety roles so...
symfoniq•38 minutes ago
In the same way that “Anthropic” apparently means misanthropic, we can probably add “AI safety” to the list of newspeak.
mcfdoesdev•about 1 hour ago
My thoughts being beamed to a frontier model where they are monetizable (and used for training) is terrifying.
gorgolo•41 minutes ago
They will also want to beam back the response straight back into your brain one day.
dudefeliciano•37 minutes ago
it's in the article, around 2030 the device should be able to write and "make changes to the brain: hear audio, or tell the brain to use more calories" ...and later she envisions chatGPT becoming an extension of the brain like a sixth sense.
prerok•30 minutes ago
The future is Borg.
goatlover•37 minutes ago
No worries, I'm sure there won't be Flock cameras reading your thought crimes as you drive/walk by.
cormorant•about 1 hour ago
Never mind "how could this go wrong". How could this go right?
Razengan•about 1 hour ago
Simple, think about going right
robterrell•about 1 hour ago
For some reason your comment reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-uzsw0kqw
yunnpp•about 1 hour ago
Up and to the right, to be more specific. Transcend your one-dimensional thinking, Razengan.
nyxtom•about 1 hour ago
As though we haven't done enough already to manipulate the mind, now we can have a neural model dictate our thoughts for us.
cormorant•18 minutes ago
nice double entendre on "dictate", there.
goatlover•29 minutes ago
We can finally have ads in our dreams like Futurama.
sam-cop-vimes•about 1 hour ago
Hmm...how do you stop private thoughts from reaching the LLM? Suddenly you can be prosecuted for thinking the "wrong" thoughts?
pbjerkeseth•about 1 hour ago
Yeah, this whole area of UX scares me. Silent speech techniques could strike a balance, but it seems obvious it wont stop there - consider what a state actor would do if they could skip interrogation altogether?

Unfortunately I think this is inevitable because as a species we perform a steady march toward collective desires for items of science fiction, so start your adversarial double-think practice now.

dudefeliciano•33 minutes ago
Is it really collective desire or are these products being pushed upon us? And why does it always have to be the dystopic "destroying human nature and society as we know it" science fiction and not the utopic "everyone lived happily ever after" science fiction? Or does it just feel that way to me?
dag100•18 minutes ago
For a utopia to exist, everything has to go right. Dystopias are almost all modelled on some existing facet of human behaviour. Naturally one state is unstable as it requires practically complete co-operation in most cases while the other one is stable as it usually exists as some sort of undesirable equilibrium between competing forces.
podgietaru•about 1 hour ago
"My AI just sent my boss a 12 paragraph screed because I thought about how much I hate him"
amoe_•about 1 hour ago
I'd like to think that actually-existing-telepathy would be a more transformative technology than something that simply allows people to do their existing work more conveniently.
foobarian•about 1 hour ago
If it doesn't work try thinking in Russian
drivebyhooting•about 1 hour ago
You know how a microphone can also serve as a speaker?

Can this technology also do text to thought?

chasd00•43 minutes ago
sure would be cool to transfer memories. Then we'd be able to download how to fly a helicopter.pdf right to our brains like in the matrix.
goatlover•32 minutes ago
Pretty sure that also involves tuning your motor control in your hand and arm. It's like thinking a download into your brain would make you a successful athlete.
nee1r•about 3 hours ago
are you specifically focused on non-invasive methods/why? seems like you reach a noise barrier which limits things like this
foolswisdom•about 1 hour ago
From the article

> It’s hard to collect enough data using invasive methods. Few people want a chip in their brain! But non-invasive methods are getting much better. The hardware is improving and getting cheaper, though I apologize for being vague about the particularities of our hardware.

agajews•about 2 hours ago
exciting! you could imagine brain transcriptions being very high signal RLHF data that could help align models more deeply to human preference.
rvz•about 1 hour ago
Translation:

"I am a former-OpenAI employee and looking for investors to fund my AI startup."

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