Rings forged from meteorites may have been fashionable among ancient Greek elite

andsoitis•41 minutes ago

> sheds light on how the ancient Minoan and Mycenaean elite

Mycenaeans are considered Greek.

Minoans generally not considered Greek.

Their script, Linear A, has never been deciphered, so we don’t actually know what language they spoke, but most linguists think it wasn’t Greek, based on how poorly Linear A’s signs map onto Greek phonetics when tested as they do successfully with Mycenaean Linear B.

Culturally the Minoans also look distinct from later Greek civilization. Different religious iconography (bull-leaping, goddess-centric imagery), different art style, no clear warrior-elite hierarchy the way Mycenaean and later Greek society had.

throwawayffffas•19 minutes ago

Linear B also maps poorly to Greek as far as I know. It's clearly an adaption of a foreign script.

andsoitis•15 minutes ago

Linear B maps onto Greek quite well once you understand that it is a syllabary, not an alphabet. The fit is imperfect in specific, well-understood ways.

Once you correct for well-understood systematic gaps, though, the underlying grammar, vocabulary, and even some divine names (Poseidon, Zeus, Hera, Dionysus all show up) are recognizably continuous with classical Greek.

altmanaltman•11 minutes ago

The actual paper doesn't claim that, it understands they are two distinct cultures but itn covers the georgaphical Greece in the title not cultural.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03054...

stefan_lec•about 1 hour ago

Something about this feels very Tolkien-ish.

Nobody mention it to Peter Thiel, he doesn’t need any more ideas.

xbmcuser•about 1 hour ago

In ancient times with no light pollution they could probably see and track meteorites falling. And it could have been easier to access to get those metals than mining.

wood_spirit•32 minutes ago

Perhaps sometimes they saw it hit and went to find it? But the night is long and people should be indoors asleep near the fire and meteorites fall all around the clock anyway?

So perhaps they mostly just picked weird rocks up off the ground, as the Inuit did? When you spend time outside with the herds you probably notice unusual wrongs.

AdmiralAsshat•40 minutes ago

My engagement ring contains meteorite, supposedly from the Gibeon Meteorite, although the fact that a single meteorite is a component advertised in so many rings makes me somewhat suspicious as to the quantity or authenticity. But it looks pretty, anyway.

rithdmc•about 2 hours ago

They're still fashionable! ... or maybe I'm a geek.

542354234235•about 2 hours ago

A Greek?

karim79•about 1 hour ago

I'm 100% certain that such rings grant superpowers determined by a cosmic RNG.

IAmBroom•42 minutes ago

The opportunity for fraud is immense, unless the elite sourced their own meteorites.

throwawayffffas•13 minutes ago

Iron smelting had not been invented yet. Meteorites were the only readily available source of iron. Upon the invention of smelting all iron rings appear to be smelted.

mrec•13 minutes ago

How so? This was the Bronze Age; smelting iron ore wasn't really a thing yet, so meteoric iron was pretty much the only kind available.

SideburnsOfDoom•20 minutes ago

> The opportunity for fraud is immense

At the time, not so much. It was called "The Bronze Age" and "The Iron age" came later. The names aren't random.

From the article:

> The use of meteoritic iron particularly stands out during the Bronze Age because of the lack of iron smelting at the time.

In other words, the main source of this special metal was when the Gods occasionally threw down a piece, in a column of fire.

Rings forged from meteorites may have been fashionable among ancient Greek elite

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