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OgsyedIEabout 2 hours ago
I'm convinced that the patterns of the federal judiciary freely supporting egregious misconduct by multiple agencies will last until roughly one week after the funeral of the current POTUS. Old age, complications, whatever, the pendulum will swing back.

The best case scenario for that swing-back is a prolonged and entirely civil witch hunt of the judges and attorneys involved, by force of intimidation by state governors threatening expulsion of federal personnel and nonpayment of funds to the Treasury unless a witch-hunting organisation is allowed to operate. This sounds horrible, but it is the option that most safely diffuses the tensions of implied violence. It's mirror, an entirely uncivil (force of arms) witch hunt, has historical precedents in other countries that suffered catastrophic civil wars and is the worst-case option.

Like it or not, every country has the pendulum and it can only be managed.

einszweiabout 2 hours ago
I don't think we should assume that there is a universal law of gravity that will automatically swing this pendulum in other direction.
OgsyedIEabout 1 hour ago
I'm not aware of any historical counterexamples, but I'd love to learn if you have any.
jmclnxabout 1 hour ago
This country is owned by the super rich, it is over. 241 years of the US constitution was a nice run. Too bad the courts allowed this to happen.
ck2about 1 hour ago
very naive

it will take a CENTURY to rebuild the US just from what they've done to this point, imagine two more years

every part of government now has been corrupted to the point where all you need is the next Heritage Foundation pick in place (JD) and it all keeps going on exactly like now, maybe even worse once they see they've gotten away with it

if the Dems don't get the Senate the Supreme Court will become unstoppable

btw only full impeachment will get his name off everything, even then maybe not everything, and there is still the existing corruption in place to sabotage even more on the way out

those last few months November 2028 - February 2029 are going to be 100x worse than anything we've seen to this point, they will burn it all the ground, hopefully not literally

BlackRing11 minutes ago
Your incessant fear mongering needs to be checked.
uoaeiabout 2 hours ago
If Trump dies, Vance becomes president. If Vance dies, Mike Johnson becomes president. What do you know about those people that I don't that convinces you the hammer will come down once Trump is dead?
OgsyedIEabout 1 hour ago
The electoral strength of the Trump base is their ability to identify with Trump, which makes the political component of open defiance a guaranteed loser. None of Trump's presumptive successors have his advanced age, imagery of an unregimented approach to self-care, comfortable ease with crude mannerisms or showmanship.

A USA where the economy is poor and the Gen X and older cohorts have returned to 2010 levels of apathy is one where Newsom, Walz, Kelly, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez etc openly directing anybody they have authority over to disregard all instructions of federal personnel up to indefinitely detaining federal personnel does not stop them from sweeping in 2028.

kraken_cultabout 2 hours ago
Ah yes, the famously fair, famously well thought out "witch hunt for thee, but not for me".

How about acknowledgement that there was a reason these people got elected and the addressing of grievances that brought that about. Problems heard and addressed.

3eb7988a1663about 2 hours ago
The grievance was that not enough journalists were getting thrown into jails without proper procedures or medical care?
Arodexabout 1 hour ago
>there was a reason these people got elected

Starting a war with Iran?

OgsyedIEabout 2 hours ago
Nobody has a magic wand to produce the best option and they instead have to make do with the least bad physically possible option.

The constituency for the immiseration of the masses is unfortunately bipartisan. It predates Trump (and Biden) and was embraced by Trump (and Biden) to the opposite of their rhetoric. However, the historical consensus on tolerating extralegal behaviour by the executive and judiciary anywhere else on Earth is that it has a 100% track record of making immiseration worse. No other improvements can first occur without removing that state of affairs which bottlenecks everything else, by the least harmful physically possible method.

You want a better option? Go find a genie.

solid_fuelabout 2 hours ago
Cry all you want, the people are demanding justice for the egregious crimes of the trump administration and his pathetic, sycophantic supporters. I think they will have it, one way or another.
dfeeabout 2 hours ago
admittedly, i don't know anything about this case, but the person at the center of it seems to be Carlitos Ricardo Parias.

the intercept (source link) was rated far left by AllSides (https://www.allsides.com/news-source/intercept-media-bias) and the press release from justice.gov has a very different perspective (https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/illegal-alien-mexico-ch...).

it's very unclear what can be taken at face value.

ukd1about 1 hour ago
even just reading the article the left-lean/bias is clear here.
uoaeiabout 2 hours ago
The Intercept is not far-left, they are Blob-aligned via Pierre Omidyar.

Reading this meter you linked from AllSides, it appears that the main purpose of that meter is to enforce the boundaries of the Overton window using faux-objectivity as a cover.

dfeeabout 1 hour ago
makes it doubly hard when you can't trust a media bias website, either.

solving for "trust" is one of the hardest problems out there in 2026.

infinite_spinabout 2 hours ago
camillomillerabout 2 hours ago
How do you guys in the US go about life as if this ain’t happening? Otherwise, what are you specifically doing against it? What even small acts of resistance are you ready to put in place? Genuinely curious, let’s hear it.
zugiabout 1 hour ago
Some general advice that probably works around the world is, if you're present in a country illegally, don't go out of your way to seek out immigration enforcement officials to record them for TikTok.

Nothing in the article refutes the assertion that Carlitos Ricardo Parias has been in the country illegally for 2+ decades, so it's not surprising that he's detained by ICE pending deportation. The Intercept refers to him as a "journalist" though all I can verify is that has a large TikTok following.

The Intercept's editorial comment calling ramming ICE SUVs "a meaningless move in a small car physically pinned by multiple large SUVs" is laughable and destroys any notion one might have that they have journalistic integrity. I think in any country, when surrounded by police, if you ram police vehicles rather than stopping and raising your hands, you'll be in trouble. While him getting shot in the elbow is a great example of police ineptitude, I guess we've just gotten used to that.

There are plenty of things to complain about regarding ICE behavior, but detaining someone who's in the country illegally isn't one of them.

fedpostabout 2 hours ago
Have you seen our prison system? Everyone who's actually "done something" about it is either dead, spent time in supermax, or is headed to supermax.
camillomillerabout 2 hours ago
Your country is lost.
fedpostabout 2 hours ago
No shit. Many of us are doing stuff, but we can't post about it on fucking social media if we don't want to join our friends at the supermax party.
sandworm101about 2 hours ago
There are two realities at the moment: the everyday culture that really hasn't changed all that much, and a federal dog-and-pony circus act that roams around the country doing crazy stuff. The vast majority of people have no interaction with the circus. For them, everything is normal and these news stories are an aberration. If they watch the news, they assume there is some larger story that they aren't being told. So the circus continues like a bad sitcom, nobody caring enough to actually do anything about it because they aren't really sure whether it is real.
vrganjabout 2 hours ago
"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act"

[...]

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter."

[...]

"The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had."

They Thought They Were Free - The Germans, 1933-45

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.htm

ck2about 2 hours ago
btw another crime by ICE that has not been widely covered is they are FORCE FEEDING PRISONERS FOR MONTHS

that is recognized as torture and illegal and should never be happening by our government

* https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/05/ice-force-fe...

* https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ice-force-feeding-detain...