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Is the Economist seriously suggesting we should roll back workers and renters rights because AI makes it too easy for the average Joe to actually get those rights?
> Rather than just handling locals’ objections, a new Ai-driven planning system could decide for itself whether a housing development meets a zoning code. Rather than processing benefits claims, it could devise personalised welfare interventions.
And this sounds like it's going to work just grrrreat.
Yes, both of these pieces of legislation are extremely badly designed feel-good nonsense, which I personally hope will be shown to be so by an avalanche of claims automated by AI.
The employment rights legislation we have at the moment literally abolishes the market for labour - the final decision as to if your salary is "fair" is made by a judge.
Can you explain this? I can't find anything on this from a quick google. Employment rights act seems to say very little about salary beyond the minimum wage.
The judge decided that, despite prices suggesting otherwise, the two types of labour here were the same.
The reality is that curtailment of abusive zero hours contracts provided by the employment rights legislation was direly needed and renters desperately needed protection against landlords who would habitually jack up rents and kick you out.
These are probably the only two good bits of legislation done in the last few years.
The renters rights act has led to buy to let landlords selling up all over leading to a decline in property prices. It's hardly feel good - it means first time buyers can get on the property ladder easier and renters cant be kicked out as easily.
When the cost of such claims goes to zero, that assumed dynamic will no longer work.
I don't know about the Economist nor about the UK, but in the USA most programs that could benefit the poor are specifically designed to have very onerous processes to qualify and requalify with the intention of discouraging people from applying and to reduce success rate in obtaining the benefit they are on paper qualified to receive.
The 'undeserving poor' insanity haunts the ruling class like a decomposing vampire scarecrow.
Renters and the disabled are not the problem here.
Interesting, your observation on societal structures changing is very close to mine regarding laws: A lot of "laws" were created with the assumption that they would be applied as warranted by circumstances, and I think universal AI surveillance and perfect enforcement of laws will be a huge problem in the coming age.
The British state is being flooded with requests for things that people are actually entitled to, but enough administrative hurdles were intentionally placed in the way of to make sure that no one would get.
Obviously that's a very messed up and broken system. I'm not defending it at all.
In general, our economy relies a lot on these natural filters for effort. A company with a nice website doesn't necessarily mean the company is good, except historically it kind of does, because it's a proxy for effort (and budget), both of which correlate roughly with reputability and a good product.
The same applies to well-written blog post: typically, a very good writer generally is also someone with something interesting to say, even though in theory the two things don't have to be connected.
Similarly, the entire moat of many companies is that switching to a competitor is a lot of effort.
AI is effectively sending the effort required to do any of these things to zero, which means all our existing implicit filters are going to stop working.
I would argue in a lot of cases it isn't: especially in cases where the resources are intended to go to people who are struggling in some way. People who need the most help are often the least equipped to deal with the bureaucracy, while someone who is exploiting the system can happily jump through as many hoops as it puts up (especially when they're arbitrary rules that are encouraged to be applied without critical thinking and have very little correlation with the thing that is supposed to be being assessed). It might limit the number of people using it but it selects opposite to the desired result.
From what I see multiple government departments are already pushing back from people using AI when dealing with the government. I understand the dynamics, if the cost of exercising your rights go down, more people do it and their budgets cannot cope. However, you then abuse the rights of the citizens. Regulations are designed to protect the most vocal people or the wealthy. The most vocal people can start a revolution (or get another party elected) so need to please them while the wealthy are the ones in power. I don't know how this will play out.
Do you live under a rock?
As usual, not really sure blaming AI is a useful way to understand the problem. British politics has felt "broken" since at least Cameron's failed bet on Brexit.
Most people agree that this rule works well in practice. Most people don't take a sick day because they don't feel 100%, even when its within their rights. If everyone decided to take Monday off because they're sick, that would be possible within the law, there's no need to provide proof you're sick. Yet, if that happened, the country would grind to a halt.
Now ask yourself, how could you implement that without eroding someone's rights and without introducing friction?
The Economist is angry because current processes were only supposed to supply the appearance of justice, but wear down anyone who wasn't a full time employee working on someone else's behalf.