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I'm already seeing discussions on the mise[0] Github discussions about Omarchy specific changes and designs. I'm not saying anything about these specific changes and they seem mostly distro-agnostic for now, but it goes to show how it can affect other distros/software even if you don't use it.
[0] mise is being sponsored by the Omacon foundation, which is what all this money is technically going to. It also happens to be the only "independent" tool being sponsored by the foundation, as the hyperland dev is essentially contracted by them and the QuickShell dev was hired by DHH.
Are the changes Omarchy specific or distro-agnostic? You say both.
I don't even know what hyperland and quickshell are. I don't use mise because it seems to solve problems I solve with containers.
The changes are specifically for Omarchy. They just happen to still be distro-agnostic. There is no guarantee this continues in the future.
The discussions:
Using managed tool-stub bundles for Omarchyās lazy CLI layer: https://github.com/jdx/mise/discussions/12597
Proposal: give every Omarchy user a declarative "my machine" file with mise bootstrap: https://github.com/jdx/mise/discussions/12709
Proposal: give Omarchy dotfiles automatic history, easy restore, and optional sync with mise: https://github.com/jdx/mise/discussions/13022
> I don't even know what hyperland and quickshell are. I don't use mise because it seems to solve problems I solve with containers.
Okay? Your lack of awareness of the tools does not change the fact that 15 millions dollars that is supposed to "support the linux desktop", but right now is mostly funding its own distro.
Alternatively we are transitioning to the bullying stage of:
(1) Shaming (you should be embarrassed for thinking this)
(2) Bullying (you should be afraid for thinking this)
(3) Recruitment (contacting authorities to deal with the wrongthinker through misrepresentation)
(4) Pity (I am hurt by your wrongthink, stop hurting me, everyone please help)
Hereās a non-political example. I donāt run Duckstation because the developer frequently makes it abundantly clear that he hates Linux users and in recent years has done his best to pretty much ban its use on my distro of choice, Arch (btw). Itās a personal decision that other people just donāt need to know about. Feel free to disagree with me on this nuance, but I think itās actually more āfascisticā to attempt to forcibly compel people to not run software on ideological grounds.
Tl;dr vote with your cpu. If enough people do it, the software will die. Pearl clutching does nothing but raise buzz around the software that you hate
Btw ggwp to dhh and omarchyās team.
Ormarchy/arch is not my cup of tea but kudos to them for doing their own thing.
Anyway, I am currently using omarchy, I installed it knowing only that dhh was known to be a jerk. I assumed that meant a linus-esque āsometimes yells at people in emailsā kinda thing. So sharing this kind of post is actually quite helpful. Because of it, Iāll be installing a different arch variant next time I get the itch to try something new.
> And that is why Omarchy matters. Sadly. Not because of its technical merit (even though those fascists love to use the āmeritā argument to fight human rights) but because of its leader, his connections and his ability to accumulate financial power. Without anyone in that ecosystem saying anything about how that leader operates and talks. And you might know the saying: If thereās a Nazi and 10 folks sitting together at a table and nobody says and does anything? Thereās 11 Nazis at that table.
> Running Omarchy means contributing to this dynamic. It means willingly integrating oneself into a fascist community. Legitimizing it. Supporting it. Omarchy is a fascist project that normalizes fascist thinking for everyone entering that community (even unknowingly). The baseline has to be not to use that system. And as people who believe in human rights and dignity, in community and a tech world that can be better we need to oppose Omarchy. Need to make sure it gets no seat at any table.
Digital Ocean contributed? Typical nihilist corporation (2021 pandering to Biden):
https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/diversity-equity-inclusion...
I would describe DHH as a narcissist. Normal people who don't have a massive ego and hugely inflated view of themselves don't get involved in these societal conversations in the first place, to even be accused of being a fascist.
https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a
> A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
Sounds pretty accurate to me.
Use Omarchy if you like the OS. Don't use it if you don't like it. A political analysis of the founders and leadership behind every product you use must be an exhausting way to live your life
We should be aware of the motivations of the software we use. This is why we've had licensing fights for decades.
And the device you type this on is made by which company? Apple? Google? Microsoft? Lenovo? They all involved in politics and lobbying. And it's powered by which ASICS? Apple? Intel? AMD? Nvidia? All of them are involved in lobbying and politics you might disagree with. And yet you still use them and nobody is giving you shit about it.
You're a pot calling the kettle black here. If you wanna get online and do work, unless you're fabbing chips and laptop boards in your garage, you're gonna be directly or indirectly funding some tech business involved in politics you might not like.
So it's pretty hypocritical and somewhat mental of you to spend so many comments here trying to dunk on people willing to use Omarchy just because the owner has politics you disagree. Why can't you live your life and let others live their own in piece without turning discussions into your own political war (which BTW is also against HN rules)?
And well, DHH is fascist.
>Europeās first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: āpeopleās communityā), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation.
Not DHH or Robertson really.
noun
fasĀ· cist also Ėfa-shist
or Fascist, plural Fascists : a person who advocates or works to further the aims of fascism : an adherent of or participant in a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascist
I think that's plenty evidence, I'm not waiting for him to tatoo "I am a fascist" on his forehead.
Also, a minimum awareness of the politics of the people producing the stuff you use is actually pretty necessary when fascism is on the rise all around the world. Might be exhausting, sure, but it's better than the alternative
In reality, he was kicked out because he insisted on prioritising violence over politics (contradicting the BNP's "political soldier" leadership, who said that both should have equal weight). It was this disagreement that led to him coming to prominence in the first place, and he's traded on his "too violent for the mainstream fascists" image ever since.
Except the fact that it's a breeding chamber for those "unity and identity" types of people/ideologies/projects?
Embracing diversity is messy, and it's also a blessing. There should be lots of ways of doing the same thing, etc.
We're already way past the point of pointing out his character flaws. I want to also point out that as long as we keep this exception the post author made of "ah, there's nothing wrong with being opinionated", these types will use that as a means to push their agenda.
I believe we should aim for the messy, "lots of different ways of doing the same thing" as a clear substrate that embraces all kinds of diversity of ideas and rejects the scumbag ideologies inherently.
https://youtu.be/GYx4OBbswTw
https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a
https://world.hey.com/dhh/three-sacred-cows-that-must-die-so...
Its like when a couple of nazis show up at your bar and you dont through them out. Welp, now you're a nazi bar.
The real world requires proactive protection from these people. That's reality of where we are today.
That logic doesn't follow, sorry.
You can be inclusive, yet not become the thing you're inclusive to. That's a mental stretch.
Like, there are a lot of world views and opinions that can be included without damaging the space, but nazism is very clearly not one of them. Fascism and the authoritarian forms of communism also fall under this heading.