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tomhow•1 day ago
david-gpu•1 day ago
Tao's critique of AI in the field of mathematics reminds me of what French art critic Charles Baudelaire said in the 19th century about photography [0].

Baudelaire argued that photography became a haven for failed painters, the sorts of hacks that could not finish proper training. Photography, as a mechanical rendering of the world, could only record what already existed; it couldn't transform reality the way a painting could.

He also criticized the public's craze for "rushing" into it, and complained that this technical "progress" was weakening the arts.

Do you see some parallels as well?

[0] https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Curiosit%C3%A9s_esth%C3%A9tiq...

road61•1 day ago
It's a turning point for science and beyond. AI has shown itself to be transformative. Even today, it is already changing how research in math (and other sciences) is conducted. In the near future, whether it is LLMs or some other superior method, its capabilities are only expected to grow. The time to ask the question is now: Will AI be arguably the best tool at scientist's disposal, or will it instead be paraded around as a super brain collective that no human or group of humans can compete with, discouraging entire new generations of future scientists from ever entering the field? The jury is out on this one.
metanoia_•1 day ago
In the Economist article Tao links, Hugo Duminil-Copin, draws a comparison: airdropping someone on the summit of Mount Everest is very different from climbing it.

The fundamental issue with AI solving any perceived difficult problem is that we have lost the journey. The sight atop Mount Everest looks much different when you have climbed compared to being dropped from above.

skeledrew•about 16 hours ago
There are those who are only interested in seeing what's on top of mountain, without having to climb it. Let them go see as they wish. Those who want to climb should still do their thing, without taking issue with the option of being dropped from above and those exercising it. The unnecessary gatekeeping needs to stop.
psychoslave•1 day ago
Sure, but actually what's the issue? You can still climb. If one do it for the sake of the journey, not some side quest to fame, glory, and social prestige, the mountain is still there.

Maybe the one that lament that the sacred mountain should be left alone and be kept pristine of human arrogance and pissing territory can complain

twsted•1 day ago
All clear and understandable. I completely agree.

As developers, we’re seeing this a little earlier.

againstapples•1 day ago
At this rate AI will be doing all of the mathematics within 5 years, I don’t see why a mathematician would be worried about anything other than that at this point?
jona-f•about 16 hours ago
We'll need a lot of mathematicians to understand all that output. I'm not worried.