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gavinray•40 minutes ago
A few months ago I asked why semantic representation rather than text wasn't used, since natural language seems quite a lossy representation for semantic concepts:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47195212

I wouldn't have thought to use it for LLM-to-LLM communication, though

foota•37 minutes ago
I feel like multimodal models that can read images should work differently than they do. My understanding is that multimodal models basically first generate an image embedding and then the model is trained to interpret that embedding, but in the same way that text is lossy, it seems like the embedding would be as well. Why don't multimodal models learn to interpret images themselves without an embedding? Or e.g., by passing some "prompt" to the embedding model?
thfuran•13 minutes ago
What does interpreting images mean in practice if you exclude the possibility of feature extraction or any other sort of implicit embedding?
cubefox•43 minutes ago
So the models will not only be using more and more Neuralese in their CoT (like GPT-6), but different agents will also be able to communicate with each other in Neuralese. It's not looking good for monitorability.
sparky_twofort•13 minutes ago
Is Neuralese in no way decodable into a human-interpretable system? Genuine question -- I don't know the answer.
Y_Y•6 minutes ago
Definitely decodable, that's what's being done now
jephs•7 minutes ago
This is from like a year ago.