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hbarka•18 minutes ago
If Jev is fundamentally trained using RLCD while you’re building on a Qwen model that was trained using RLHF, how can the resulting model be considered Jev-like?
tietjens•12 minutes ago
Also my question.
nullbio•about 2 hours ago
I think a great use case for these will be when they have large context windows and are able to enforce styling rules for frontend development, and component creation rules for react. You can then ditch the styles guides and styling skills and create a decision tree for enforcing styling, so that you can't run into drift issues or duplication issues. That's where I'm wasting most of my time right now, constantly correcting all of the UX/UI issues that are created for every single feature.
monkeydust•about 2 hours ago
Bit of a Jev explosion going on. Is it because it's taking us back to a simpler time we understand better? Classification models have been around for a while.
toasty228•about 2 hours ago
It's because everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame so every single time something shiny gets out all the NPCs are asking astra/fable: "can you create a copy of this, make no mistake"
mugul•about 2 hours ago
Quite impressed by the energy people are putting into making OSS Jev-like models.

I understand the hype but I wonder: what are the use cases for this kind of model? Could it be used in the context of coding agents, or is it more relevant in totally different situations?

saejox•about 2 hours ago
To develop a smart ai system for my 2d roguelike platformer? game has way too many moving system for classic state-machine ai + i cant spare the time to develop it. its low latency entices me.
vidarh•about 2 hours ago
Consider every situation where you "force" an LLM to output only a choice / category, or a set of them. If you have workflows like that, you're now being promised significant cost- and latency reduction.

For coding agents it'd only be useful in a subset of situations. E.g. you could imagine using one to classify bash tool calls into safe and unsafe for example.

lucrbvi•about 2 hours ago
You should call Jev-like models when you give it a JSON-like structure to produce, it is useful when you need _some_ intelligence in your code.
Havoc•about 2 hours ago
Yeah same. Got access to their API and then realised I don’t really have an immediate use case
raahelb•38 minutes ago
The bright side of Jev being so popular could be that many companies and individuals realize that their applications might work well with a System One model, and they decide to run an open-source (or fine-tuned) version on their own
akkad33•about 1 hour ago
Can someone tell me what is the difference between Jev and a normal neural network that does classification ?

My understanding is: it takes text input and it does one shot classification (no training data)

crackalamoo•about 1 hour ago
Yes, this is essentially it.

As a corollary, the output classes can be any set, rather than needing to be set before training.

akkad33•38 minutes ago
Can someone do a ELI5A of how they achieve classification over any user defined list of items? Normal neural networks do a softmax over a known output set to get probabilities
theodoretliu•5 minutes ago
I can think of two possible approaches 1. Jev limits to 255 distinct options. So they can preprocess your set of options and “tell” the LLM via input tokens 1 = red, 2 = blue, etc then jev need only output softmax over 255 states while benefiting from pretrain of other LLMs 2. You allow the forward pass to output over the total token state but mask over the logits to limit to the user options. Less plausible? bc tricky when input is multi token which they clearly support.

My guess would be option 1. Didn’t read the kev repo here which would also explain

raahelb•about 2 hours ago
Because these decision models do not have tool calling, the knowledge cutoff might become a problem. We'll either have to keep training continuously if we run locally or switch to the newer version every month or so when using a closed one like Jev
jwr•about 1 hour ago
I wonder how these would do filtering my spam. I have been using 27B-class models for a while now, and they are nearly perfect at determining what is spam and what isn't. The only disadvantage is computational cost.
walrus01•about 1 hour ago
Take a look at Thomson 1.0-small, which is a variant of qwen 3.6 35b post trained by Thomson Reuters for text analysis. It classifies text content very well.
faangguyindia•about 1 hour ago
On Gemma 4 12B, I am getting 220 ms per move or QS. I used it to play the Snake game locally:

prompt_eval=244 ms wall=245 ms schema_cache=hit generated=0

Move limit reached after 200 moves: score=16, length=19.

So, if a 12B dense model can offer this latency on a local old PC, then definitely you can scale it up with more powerful machines and get even lower latency.

webprofusion•about 2 hours ago
Why does nobody ever ship these as a docker image?
tacomagick•about 2 hours ago
I guess you have AI to write your docker files and push your images now.
dunlin•about 2 hours ago
Been hoping for something in this space. Jev-like decision models on Qwen3.5 could really simplify some of our internal routing logic.
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ingen0s•21 minutes ago
Oh Jared is cool - he made After and Razzle - nice
monxer•31 minutes ago
Why not name it Qev?
Eastmill•about 1 hour ago
Interesting approach with Qwen3.5 for decision models. Curious how "tiny" they've made them while keeping LLM reliability for critical paths.
rkeswick•about 1 hour ago
Interesting to see a Jev-like approach applied to Qwen3.5. Always appreciated Jev's simplicity for quick decisions.