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sailingparrot•about 3 hours ago
> Claude Opus 5.5 is our first release since we called for pacing the frontier.

Interesting how the very first line is used to remind the reader of their call to pace the frontier just last week, and everything else after that line is to demonstrate with very specific numbers how they absolutely are not pacing.

mukmuk•about 3 hours ago
“Pacing the frontier” sounds smarmy and weird, like the phrase was generated by Claude itself
DiggyJohnson•about 3 hours ago
I really don't think it's productive for internet forums to constantly be criticizing language choice when the meaning is clear. Better to respond to the substance of the issue than word choice.

Edit: In response to the initial replies. To me it clearly means "releasing frontier models at any pace less than as fast as possible". It implies relative restraint compared to the previous state and without stating the degree of restraint.

mpalczewski•about 2 hours ago
The meaning isn't clear at all. So open for interpretation that it is meaningless. That's the whole fucking point. For all I know they are "pacing the frontier", or not. The fact that there's no meaning to it let's you know that it was a pointless waste of tokens and attention.
post-it•about 3 hours ago
Is the meaning clear? Nobody would use "pacing" in this way. I only know what it means because I've seen previous press releases; if someone told me they wanted to pace the frontier I would have no idea what they mean.

I'm on the fence about calling out AI-isms but I think it's definitely worthwhile to call out ones that actually don't make sense.

patcon•about 2 hours ago
Agreed. This feels like pointless navel-gazing and a strange new language policing, and not something I look forward to. It's tiring and it lacks curiosity (e.g. "what's behind the affinity for the words elevated from wherever it is they come from?").

Imho people should just respond to actual ideas instead of constantly engaging in the second-order critique of how the language may or may not have been created.

It strikes me as the intellectual equivalent of "gossip" to be constantly engaging in second-order commentary on words. Of course gossip has its place and purpose, but if we seem to only let our minds live at that level, we're not moving between all the required scales of thinking that are required of this moment imho <3

vmnb•about 3 hours ago
people are here because they are sick of being productive
rythmshifter•about 2 hours ago
I don't disagree with you, but I have to remind you

sir, this is a hacker news thread

isoprophlex•about 3 hours ago
You're really verbing the noun on the discourse here, belt and suspenders-style
Ar-Curunir•about 2 hours ago
You’re acting like people are being grammar nazis when Claude and the ilk are actively making a mockery of language.
Forgeties79•about 2 hours ago
Word choice matters
tclancy•about 2 hours ago
It combines the elegance of LinkedIn-speak with the humbleness of desk-bound people who speak in military metaphor.
mpalczewski•about 2 hours ago
good use of AI to generate this.
nonethewiser•about 2 hours ago
IDK I think Anthropic is plenty smarmy and weird itself. Sounds like they wrote it.
topbanana•about 2 hours ago
You're right to call that out
marton78•about 2 hours ago
Sounds like "flatten the curve" and "the hammer and the dance", both coined well before AI.
tclancy•about 2 hours ago
I learned the former from Waylon Jennings and the Dukes of Hazzard.
pvab3•about 2 hours ago
except with a good dose of EA and Star Trek added in
Dumblydorr•about 3 hours ago
What specifically is smarmy and weird? Sounds like your own hot take with zero analysis.

They’re limiting frontier model development speed. Others are too. Pacing is the only word here to criticize, and I think it’s fine given the limiting of speed but also increased oversight. I’m not saying they’re fully doing this, but the term is fine.

Do you have a better proposed phrase?

Rebelgecko•about 2 hours ago
I thought pacing is just walking back and forth? So pacing the frontier would be like staying in the same place instead of making progress
plaidfuji•about 2 hours ago
“… since we called for a slowdown in AI research”

But stating it plainly like this would make the contradiction too obvious.

gradus_ad•about 3 hours ago
Agreed when I first heard the phrase it sounded odd. Maybe they thought it subtly conveyed they would be setting the pace... But again this is something AI would come up with in its awkwardly post hoc sort of way.

Though tbf corporate-speak and AI-slop are both insufferable in similar ways...

dmazin•about 3 hours ago
It seems like they are. I mean, this is similar in performance to Fable (ish). It seems like more focus on making existing capabilities more accessible.
sailingparrot•about 3 hours ago
Fable 5.1 came out just 21 days ago. Only 3 weeks! And this is 20% relative improvement on terminal bench vs Fable 5.1 at less than half the price, and more human sounding output. does not feel paced to me tbh.
davrosthedalek•about 3 hours ago
Well, I guess it's "fast paced".
jr3592•about 3 hours ago
What exactly is "paced" in this context?
dmix•about 3 hours ago
Fable 5.1 wasn't that much different than Fable 5 though.
cab648bec139cc•about 3 hours ago
Do you guys still believe any of their lies? You are getting trolled for years by now and yet you still believe what they tell you?
supern0va•about 3 hours ago
That's a great point, five minute old account.
sleazebreeze•about 3 hours ago
What do you think is happening?
the_gipsy•about 3 hours ago
Occam's razor: they couldn't make any more substantial improvements.
dgellow•about 3 hours ago
A razor is a philosophical tool to help decide between options, in the case of Occam it’s a way to decide for something in a situation where multiple options have more or less the same level of plausibility to en your current knowledge. It’s a heuristic to make a “cut”. What are you shaving off?
someothherguyy•about 3 hours ago
> Occam's razor: they couldn't make any more substantial improvements.

doesn't sound like a razor at all

bpodgursky•about 3 hours ago
Everyone knows both labs have internal models which outperform the frontier. All releases are to match market parity and demand for spend, the rest of the compute is used for training. It's not worth arguing about this.
lukewarm707•about 3 hours ago
the only thing they are pacing is what models the permanent underclass are allowed to have in life.

that, they fully intend to 'pace'. hiring accenture is a good sign they need some justification theatre and a fall guy for this decision.

drnick1•about 3 hours ago
With AI tools it's easier than ever to create a business, do research, or build stuff. That's an opportunity for the "underclass," not a curse.
azan_•about 3 hours ago
Either AI will capture so much value that there will be permanent underclass (and in this case it's extremely capable and extremely dangerous and should be heavily regulated) or it won't be capable enough to displace people into permanent underclass.
user3939382•about 3 hours ago
Or they’re running into a steep diminishing return slope on R&D vs performance and are using stewardship as a cover.
qgin•about 2 hours ago
This IS pacing. Nobody said pacing would mean slow.

Pacing is very explicitly about RSI and similar training methods that will accelerate progress beyond our ability to comprehend it.

Iolaum•about 3 hours ago
They are advertising the regulations they want to enforce in the following sentence, which makes their intentions explicit (ie apply those things made to suit us to our competitors).
tencentshill•about 2 hours ago
What an amazing excuse for lower than expected performance! Our models are slow because we're so ethical.
dspillett•about 2 hours ago
When they talk about pacing, they are referring to their dangerous competitors, particularly those evil open-sores and Chinese ones, not their lovely safe models because you can trust them to look after your interests.

What the big players are trying with the current calls to slow things down, is the standard capitalism practise of trying to engineer regulatory capture. TBH I'm surprised those calls are coming so soon - they must be really worried about running out of what little moat that they have.

kadushka•about 3 hours ago
This makes perfect sense. There are no real improvements anymore (just benchmaxxing), and they explain it by "pacing the frontier".
heyjstn•about 2 hours ago
Others must slow down, but not us.
scottyah•about 3 hours ago
Seems like a bigger focus on efficiency (both cost and speed) and the "tone" of Claude vs benchmarkmaxxing
dr0idattack•about 3 hours ago
a 1 minute mile pace
AtlasBarfed•about 2 hours ago
If they were really about putting brakes on these, they would simply make these things non-agentic.

Simply make them something that derives a text response from its training data.

CodingJeebus•about 3 hours ago
It's laughable at this point. It feels like they're drumming up all this fear about imminent AI threats to emphasize the need to slow down, when in reality, the model progress seems already to be slowing down and has shifted to compute allocation (i.e. "how much compute do you want to throw at this prompt?"). All while continuing to tout benchmark records with each new release.
jr3592•about 2 hours ago
This. I swear the fear mongering is all about investor signaling and regulatory capture. It's so disgusting that anyone believes it.

The only good news is that these models are genuinely helpful and we have competition at least between 2 companies.

BatmansMom•about 3 hours ago
kinda disingenuous. They include a whole section on pacing later on
sailingparrot•about 3 hours ago
You mean the section where they tell us this model is not affected by pacing because “they understand it well” and they will share more details on pacing later? Yea not very convinced by this effort.
GodelNumbering•about 3 hours ago
Finally that price drop

   Prices per 1M tokens     Claude Opus 5.5    Claude Opus 5
   Cache reads              $0.20              $0.50
   Input tokens             $4                 $5
   Output tokens            $20                $25
   Cache writes             $5                 $6.25

Opus 5 is the model with highest spend on openrouter (https://openrouter.ai/rankings#task-spend) and it seems plausible that Opus 5 is/was the highest spend model in the world, and certainly Anthropic's biggest moneymaker.

If you are forced to reduce price despite raising capabilities, that certainly tells something about the market, and potentially about Anthropic future profitability too, since this model is their biggest topline contributor

Shekelphile•about 2 hours ago
Footnote on their pricing page says:

> Cache hits and refreshes on Claude Opus 5.5 are priced at 0.05x the base input price.

If they do the same for Haiku and Sonnet 5.5 then we should also see 5c/mtok and 10c/mtok cache read for those models, respectively. Still too high for Haiku IMO, Luna is 2c/mtok.

AJ007•about 3 hours ago
It is only a price drop if price * tokens used is less
mcintyre1994•about 3 hours ago
They're claiming a drop in token use too, and that it nets to 40% cheaper.
drbscl•about 3 hours ago
Unfortunately, they're full of it https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5#token-u...

It does work out to be a similar cost per task though

make3•about 2 hours ago
parent means that they could get more client / a larger part of the market, which would lead to more income (more tokens) despite lower marginal prices
coffeebeqn•about 3 hours ago
We haven’t been able to use opus as much as we’d want because it’s been too expensive for general use, price drop is good so I can stop juggling different models and just use this daily unless it has some weird new issues
chrisweekly•about 2 hours ago
Price per task (not per token) is what really matters.
cute_boi•about 2 hours ago
Agree. But similar to how ISP use 200 mbps (bits) instead of 25 MBPS(bytes), i think this trend isn't going away.
blfr•about 3 hours ago
People are paying for Opus 5? Not just burning down tokens left after they enjoyed Fable on the sub? Amazing.
rapfaria•about 3 hours ago
My workplace doesn't even offer Fable. And on the sub, I've had a hard time understanding Opus 5, but Fable can deal with it with subagents.

If 5.5 is any better, I might try to do agentic-assisted development instead of just telling fable to delegate

blfr•about 3 hours ago
Telling Fable to delegate is agentic development. At least I thought so until reading your comment.
neuronexmachina•about 2 hours ago
Enterprise and most Team accounts use API pricing, they don't have an included-usage quota.
herpdyderp•about 2 hours ago
When you need to disable data retention, you cannot use subscription plans.
ascorbic•about 2 hours ago
Enterprise, and APIs
alvis•about 3 hours ago
60% cache read is cool, but subscription only get 25% more according to Cat. I'm confused
bayesianbot•about 3 hours ago
I think gpt 5.6 family also dropped pricing but didn't give any more usage for the subscriptions. Maybe it's a way to silently lower the value given to subscriptions while keeping API pricing competitive
weiran•about 3 hours ago
25% more usage sounds about right given the other token costs are down about 20%? I don't think cache read is a big portion of the overall cost.
Espressosaurus•about 3 hours ago
Anything with long context quickly gets dominated by cache reads. Especially for interactive sessions I’ve got cache read % between 95% and 98%.
re-thc•about 3 hours ago
> I don't think cache read is a big portion of the overall cost.

For long running tasks it is. That's what made Deepseek so cheap.

liudaisuda•about 3 hours ago
source link please?
rahimnathwani•about 3 hours ago
"Opus 5.5 requires less compute to serve than Opus 5, and its pricing reflects that."
mcintyre1994•about 3 hours ago
> Communication. Opus 5.5 communicates more naturally than prior models. Early testers found its writing clearer and easier to follow, which addresses some of the common feedback we heard about Opus 5. It puts the most important information up front, and its style makes it a better work partner over long sessions. As one early tester put it, “it writes the way I do.” In our own use, this has made Opus 5.5’s work easier to follow and check—which is a safety benefit as well as a practical one.

I think this is what I'm most interested in. I mostly moved to Astra because I just can't work all day with the Claude Opus 5/Fable writing style. I've don't think Astra is a better model, but it's the first OpenAI one that seemed good enough for me. Definitely keen to try Opus 5.5 and see if this claim is real.

derangedHorse•about 2 hours ago
As someone who uses both, Astra was 100% the better model. I have yet to give 5.5 a spin so maybe that’ll be the new top contender.
jaflo•about 2 hours ago
I did the same switch (that reason along with the newer models seeming more "lazy" and needing constant prodding to finish long-horizon tasks) but my issue with ChatGPT/Codex now is that it too roundabout and doesn't get to the point. I tried adding instructions and using the personalization settings to make it more efficient but haven't seen much change. Claude seemed to follow settings more closely. Has anyone had any success to make ChatGPT more succinct?
algoth1•about 2 hours ago
Please update with your feedback
sha-3•about 2 hours ago
I haven't heard it say "load-bearing" yet (I've used it for 30 minutes now), so that's a start.
Trasmatta•about 2 hours ago
Opus 5 has made me question my sanity on a daily basis, especially as all my coworkers started lobbing Opus 5 slop grenades everywhere. It had the worst and most infuriating writing style I've ever seen.

I hope Opus 5.5 is better, if for no other reason than all the Claude slop I have to read will be at least more tolerable.

One funny side effect of all of this: realizing that coworkers that use AI for almost all the text they generate at work have their writing style change every time a new model ships.

LtdJorge•about 2 hours ago
Yes, it made me want to vomit. If the new Fable only changed the writing style to just sound like a human, same performance for everything else, I'd be pretty happy.
Aperocky•about 2 hours ago
It's not X, it's Y, not A, not B, not C, and he haven't even woken up yet! Here's the catch, the detail is in the devils and the twist is that it's designed!
simonw•about 2 hours ago
Here are pelicans for thinking levels low, medium, high, and xhigh: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht...

All four levels have a correctly shaped bicycle frame. The differences between the pelicans aren't huge, but the xhigh one has a better beak.

I haven't managed to get one for level "max" yet, it hit the limit of 128,000 cap for output tokens while it was still reasoning about the question!

Max started its thinking trace like this:

> This is a classic test request, so I want to plan out a well-composed pelican with its distinctive beak and pouch riding a bicycle with proper wheels, frame, and pedals, set against a simple sky and ground backdrop.

So that failed attempt on max cost me $2.56.

I ran this using my llm-anthropic plugin:

  uv tool install llm
  llm install llm-anthropic --upgrade
  llm keys set anthropic
  # paste key here

  llm -m claude-opus-5.5 -o thinking_effort low "Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle"

  # Then to save the markdown logs
  llm logs -cu > logs-with-usage.md
MikhailTal•about 2 hours ago
> This is a classic test request

Isn't this basically the model admitting it was trained on this? Otherwise why would it think a pelican svg is a usual request?

Brendinooo•about 2 hours ago
Plenty of times I’ve seen a model say “it’s a classic X” despite not being a classic anything. Might just recognize it’s a test in general, or it might just be a tic.
MaxikCZ•about 2 hours ago
Dont conflate "I know this is test case" with it being trained on it.

But its safe to say that pelicans on bicycles are disproportionally huge part of their training data

simonw•about 2 hours ago
It's the model admitting that it has heard of the test. It's been around for a couple of years now so I'd be surprised if it hadn't.

Doesn't mean Anthropic deliberately tried to train it to do a good job. If they DID train for the test their results are quite disappointing, I've seen better efforts from open weight Chinese models.

zamadatix•about 2 hours ago
I think people just like to see the drawings at this point.
segbrk•about 2 hours ago
Not really. Of course it has pelican benchmarks in its training data. It likely has every article linked on HN in its training data. But that doesn't mean it was "trained on" the benchmark, as in specifically fine-tuned to make a better pelican. It just "knows" that the request is a benchmark.
FergusArgyll•about 2 hours ago
It has read the internet. That doesn't mean it was literally RL'ed for this
ealready_value•about 2 hours ago
I agree, not a huge difference here. They eyes and ... hat? on high are out of place so I'd argue that's the worst one, but it takes xhigh before we get legs and bike ordering correct.
Kurtz79•about 2 hours ago
Heh. Pelican-benchmaxxing is real.
make3•about 2 hours ago
this benchmark is useless and should die
cainxinth•about 2 hours ago
I guess that means you are officially the creator of a "classic" LLM test. Congrats!
inshard•about 2 hours ago
Not as good as Astra or Fable 5.1 on this test as far as I can see. I wonder if any benchmark exists for artistic taste, visual sophistication etc. I think your Pelican test does touch on these aspects of a model and is useful for developers trying to build rich digital experiences (includes games, interactive websites and apps). These benchmarks are subjective so it may not be easily established and will have polarized reactions before it gains legitimacy. May even need human judgement layers adding to the cost of running it.
ApolloFortyNine•about 3 hours ago
>Because Opus 5.5 is comparable to Claude Mythos 5.1 in biology and cybersecurity, we’re deploying it with safeguards similar to those on Claude Fable 5.1. Vetted organizations can apply today to our Life Sciences Verification Program to use Opus 5.5 for biology research. In the coming weeks we will also be expanding access to our Cyber Verification Program, and verified cybersecurity practitioners will be able to use Opus 5.5 for their work.

Ah, they're spreading their limits to all their models it seems. Definitely not a good thing long term in my opinion.

blfr•about 3 hours ago
Fable 5.1 addressed an entire security advisory I had that Fable 5 and Opus 5 refused. I think they loosened the leash a little.
arw0n•about 2 hours ago
It has far less false positives now, and generally accepts defensive requests. When it comes to offense, you can actually ask about certain types of vulnerabilities if you phrase things carefully, but it will block hard if it is about exploits.
cute_boi•about 2 hours ago
If they don't loosen, people will choose Astra or Chinese model.

Giving moral lecture is different than reality i guess.

prettyblocks•about 3 hours ago
They're pushing their customers to their own competition by doing this.
Espressosaurus•about 3 hours ago
It’s not like ChatGPT isn’t doing similar. I’ve been hit by cybersecurity strikes before while working on an internal codebase that I had to appeal. Anthropic hasn’t done that to me yet. ChatGPT also regularly does that “thinking for a long time while we check if your chat is rule breaking” thing a lot for me when doing model identification without even interacting with external codebases or services.

The real answer is local instantiations where you don’t have to worry about poorly tuned guardrails screwing you over while you try to work.

Until eventually the Chinese models get good enough/the strategic balance shifts and they start locking everything behind closed weights the same way the US companies are doing.

raesene9•about 2 hours ago
For some cybersecurity tasks, the Chinese models are already good enough, things like PoC development or things like exploiting mis-configurations.

Whilst I'm sure the top-end OpenAI/Anthropic models might be better, I've found their guardrails so twitchy (especially Anthropic) that I wouldn't try to use them for even vaguely security related work.

KeplerBoy•about 2 hours ago
Anything else would be inconsistent, wouldn't it?
searine•about 3 hours ago
Great. Claude is basically useless for bioinformatics now.
unglaublich•about 3 hours ago
Opus is useless; Mythos access will be granted to companies that are friendly to the government, so the government gets more control over business.
bushido•about 3 hours ago
One of my favorite things about their safeguards is their own model will utter something which it does not like and then I'll need to reset the conversation.

The safeguards really don't work well for a lot of long-running tasks on old code bases. A lot of my workloads last days to weeks and the single biggest risk to the workflow is random safeguards.

techjamie•about 3 hours ago
With the performance gains they're claiming, I wonder if they implemented the Casual Encoder-Decoder technology from DeepSeek 4.1's paper.

I could see them accomplishing it and seeing gains like this in roughly the correct timeframe, and when I heard about that development I assumed the frontiers would probably jump on it.

How it works: https://miraflow.ai/blog/deepseek-v4-1-flash-causal-encoder-...

stri8ted•about 2 hours ago
This model was likely trained months before deepseek released their paper.
ryangg•about 3 hours ago
Getting a 403 on that link. Mind checking it once?
peri-cl•about 2 hours ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20260922172456/https://miraflow....

tired: AI startup attempting to publish a webpage

wired: a nonprofit founded in 1996

potwinkle•about 3 hours ago
I'm able to access it on my laptop at home. Maybe a misconfigured bot protection rule, try a different user-agent or IP?
zatkin•about 2 hours ago
It's working for me (based out of California).
m4tthumphrey•about 3 hours ago
Just post the bloody content. This UI/scrolling thing is horrific.
amluto•about 3 hours ago
Claude Opus 5.6 should have a new "UX safety" feature that requires annually-renewed preauthorization to generate webpages that hijack scrolling :)
swader999•about 3 hours ago
I told my team to smack me upside the head if I ever try to ship something so daft as that.
gruez•about 3 hours ago
???

It's just a standard hero image + text for me, with no scrolling effects.

edit: @iAMkenough figured it out, it was because I have prefers-reduced-motion enabled.

KyleTheDev•about 3 hours ago
If you're at the top of the screen, at least in Chrome 153.0.8010.37, it has a little interactive bit. You have to scroll through the images in order to be dropped at the actual web page, at which point the images go back to being a regular part of the page.

I agree that it's sort of stupid, not a fan.

ealready_value•about 2 hours ago
It's less than OpenAI did for Astra, but that was my first encounter opening it and my first thought was that they decided they liked Astra's hero/scrolling animation. I'm pleased to see they didn't make the entire page that like OpenAI did, but I'm expecting to encounter this pattern more often on these announcements now.
EricBurnett•about 3 hours ago
Two posts were merged; this comment was for the blog post with an intro animation thing.
mbreese•about 3 hours ago
On mobile at least, you have to scroll to get the TOC to appear. Then keep scrolling to actually move off from the hero to see the text.

For a marketing page, it’s not the worst UX I’ve seen, but still slightly annoying.

thejazzman•about 3 hours ago
then you're getting served a different website
giancarlostoro•about 3 hours ago
On mobile its different.
iAMkenough•about 3 hours ago
Figured it out: you have "reduce motion" enabled in your device's accesibility settings.

Everyone that doesn't gets served some animated bullshit.

gruez•about 2 hours ago
>Figured it out: you have "reduce motion" enabled in your device's accesibility settings.

Yep, you're right. I tried on my phone and got the scroll through image.

thebitguru•about 3 hours ago
Totally! So unnecessary and annoying.
halyconWays•about 3 hours ago
I call it scrollslop
josefresco•about 3 hours ago
Hijacking the scroll wheel has existing long before "AI". Many "high end design" websites that want to "tell a story" get woo'd into thinking it's a good idea. It's terrible, and feels like your scroll wheel is stuck in quicksand.
halyconWays•about 2 hours ago
Those sites are also scrollslop. "Slop," as a term, is independent of AI
iAMkenough•about 3 hours ago
Turn on "reduce motion" in your accessibility settings and you get served a sane version.
dionian•about 3 hours ago
and hijacking back/forward
joshstrange•about 3 hours ago
> It performs at the level of Claude Fable 5.1 on most work and costs 40% less to run than Opus 5.

> Input and output tokens are $4 and $20 per million, 20% less than Opus 5. Cache reads (which make up the majority of agentic and coding work costs) are $0.20 per million tokens, 60% less than Opus 5. Opus 5.5 also generates output more than 30% faster than Opus 5.

Better than Fable, cheaper than even the last Opus. I use Opus as my main driver so this is very exciting!

bayesianbot•about 3 hours ago
Wow those cache reads are quite reasonable - I think that's equal to 5.6 Terra. I might have to try Claude again after years of being priced out of it
sharkjacobs•about 3 hours ago
> “Verbose, hard-to-follow output has been my biggest frustration with frontier models, and Claude Opus 5.5 fixes it

God I hope so

lgessler•about 3 hours ago
I thought about taking a shot every time Opus 5 said "load bearing", "bites", "teeth" (real oral fixation it had), "real {concern,issue,problem,...}" and realized I'd be dead of acute alcohol poisoning by lunch if I did so.
drbscl•about 2 hours ago
So did I. Unfortunately it's even more verbose according to https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/claude-opus-5-5#token-u...
Trasmatta•about 2 hours ago
The problem with 5 wasn't just the verbosity, but its insane way of communicating. It had this bizarre circuitous sentence structure that always buried the lede, and always tried to be faux profound. I'm okay with verbosity if it's actually readable.
fastball•about 3 hours ago
It hasn't just fixed it, it has introduced a new paradigm in anti-obscurity.
mikeocool•about 3 hours ago
That's the load-bearing seam in this blog post.
boc•about 3 hours ago
So far in the past 20 minutes it sounds much better in my sessions. Way better than 5.0 so far.
unddoch•about 2 hours ago
It is hilarious to me that in the examples they show side by side Opus 5.5 still uses 4 times more words than it needs to use. IME, if you eyeball how many words the thing they're trying to say actually needs, and tell them to use only this many words, they become excellent communicators. I assume something about Anthropic's grader for writing just really wants to tick all its tidy tiny boxes of information the models need to cite. It's terrible.
neilellis•about 2 hours ago
'frontier models' - seriously, it was you and only you!
kantahayashi•about 3 hours ago
The improvement in writing sounds great! I want OpenAI to follow it. Writing in recent models is a disaster.
bushido•about 3 hours ago
Install the simple English skill. OpenAI follows that really, really well.

https://github.com/AminBlg/SimpleEnglish

mavamaarten•about 3 hours ago
That's literally all I'm hoping for. Is it an insufferable cunt and does it write awful text, or is it nice to work with?
somewhatjustin•about 3 hours ago
> Claude Sonnet 5.5 and Claude Haiku 5.5 will follow in the coming weeks, with many of the same improvements to performance, efficiency, and safety.

Nice. I was starting to think that Haiku got abandoned.

Sol-•about 3 hours ago
Found this announcement interesting since allegedly OpenAI is retiring their Terra tier. I think for everyday work, two models with various thinking efforts seem enough, plus some frontier level model like Fable or Astra to coordinate.
ricardobeat•about 2 hours ago
Terra lost to Sol and Luna at every cost/performance point, it had no reason to exist.
somewhatjustin•about 3 hours ago
I personally use up to 3 models. Fable/Opus for planning, Opus/Sonnet for implementation depending on complexity.

I would maybe use Haiku 5.5 for highly parallel workflows like checking in on MRs or scanning my entire codebase.

mchusma•about 3 hours ago
I hope Haiku is Pareto better than Luna/Deepseek, so slashing its price by about 90%.
cesarvarela•about 3 hours ago
Claude code still uses it internally.
slowin•41 minutes ago
Welp, it's now blocking me from doing extraordinarily mundane tasks because of "safety". I've been an Opus fan for a long time, but this instantly made me cancel my subscription and move to OpenAI (which I also assume will screw me soon enough). Chinese models are almost there for my needs, and I can't wait to switch to them and never look back.
sebastiangrill•38 minutes ago
What tasks? Creating a extraordinarily mundane bomb?
slowin•35 minutes ago
No, it found a vulnerability in my code and refused to update a report I was working on with the information.
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abtinf•about 3 hours ago
Astra is just so good. And the ChatGPT subscription lets me use my own harness, so I can hook it up to exe.dev.

I’ll be going about my day, have a random idea, launch a microvm on exe.dev with a prompt of my idea, and get a working thing a few minutes later.

I don’t know how much better a model would have to be to get me to move off OpenAI at this point, but doing just a little bit better in terminal bench 4 isn’t it. It would have to be a difference in kind, like opening up the harness restrictions, or privacy guarantees (comparable to offline models).

Edit to address questions below:

ChatGPT supports oauth login.

Exe.dev has it built in. IIRC, pi also has it built in via /login.

polalavik•about 3 hours ago
ya i've been a gpt hater for a while. almost exclusively used claude up until astra. astra feels like it blows everything out of the water. its fast, correct, organized, and less verbose.
cbg0•about 3 hours ago
How about cheaper? Astra is $10 in $50 out, Opus is $4 in $20 out. Even on a subscription you'll get considerably more usage out of Opus.
roughly•about 3 hours ago
> And the ChatGPT subscription lets me use my own harness, so I can hook it up to exe.dev.

Can you give more details here? This sounds intriguing.

sidrag22•about 2 hours ago
Anthropic is absurdly vague about 3rd party harnesses for subscriptions, if you try to use anything besides Claude Code, you are likely at risk of getting banned, you can "do it", but are at their mercy if they decide to ban you. OpenAI gives their blessing to using oauth on any harness, you can make your own or use any of the popular public ones like opencode, pi, whatever exe.dev is that this guy mentioned.

So in simple terms, OpenAI doesn't restrict you to Codex, and gives their blessing to try whatever you want with their models(besides serving others with your subscription usage, that is still afaik against tos).

onlyrealcuzzo•about 3 hours ago
> And the ChatGPT subscription lets me use my own harness, so I can hook it up to exe.dev.

This is news to me. Excited to try it out! Thanks.

nchmy•about 3 hours ago
news to me as well. i thought you were forced to use Codex if you wanted their subscription. I completely ignored it because of that. How do we do it?
KeplerBoy•about 2 hours ago
With the pi harness it just opens the browser (or gives you a link if you're on headless) and you sign on as usual.
felixgallo•about 3 hours ago
If you read the page, Opus is now significantly better than Astra while also being cheaper and having more performance headroom available.
abtinf•about 3 hours ago
I read the page. It seems like a marginal improvement.
ryanscio•about 3 hours ago
Let's wait for independent benchmarks at least
felixgallo•about 3 hours ago
the benchmarks provided are already from independent organizations:

Terminal-Bench 4.0 - Stanford & Laude Institute (with funding from all of the AI companies)

FrontierCode v1.1 - Cognition

CursorBench - Cursor (now SolarBoringSpaceXAI I believe)

GDPVal-AA - Artificial Analysis

AutomationBench - Zapier

Humanity's Last Exam - CAIS and Scale AI

Terminal-Bench-Science - Stanford, Laude, Ai2, Allen Institute

OSWOrld - XLANG Lab @ the University of Hong Kong

Chartography - Surge AI

kibae•about 1 hour ago
> Opus 5.5 is the first Opus model to launch with a similar class of safeguards to Fable 5.1 on cybersecurity, biology, and distillation, all of which fall back to another model transparently.

This is where Chinese models are going to eat Anthropic's lunch.

nomel•33 minutes ago
In those specific domains, sure. What percentage of paying users would you say that is?
AlfeG•44 minutes ago
So it will not usable to do anything with hardening Your own site.... I'm so tired of this. I just want adjust cookie behavior of own site...
throwaway2027•about 3 hours ago
After yesterday outage is the new Opus 5.5 load-bearing?
lgessler•about 3 hours ago
I should find information about the user's concern instead of just assuming.

The user is right. The outage is a real concern, and the issue is worse than we realized. Requests to Claude Mythos 5.1, Claude Fable 5.1, and Claude Opus 5 encountered elevated error rates. Worth stating plainly: these are not just models — they are load bearing rungs on the software development tooling ladder, and a blocker on this level makes the outage really bite.

One decision that is yours to make, not mine: should an email be drafted to Anthropic support? This issue has teeth, and a canonical handoff can land us where the main gate is no longer breaking silently.

handfuloflight•about 3 hours ago
It's worth stating why, and depends what seams you're pulling at this sitting.
danw1979•about 3 hours ago
Good point — but I’ll gently push back on that. It’s not an outage, it’s a service degradation.
staticman2•about 3 hours ago
I'm gonna be straight with you—I don't have the evidence to say whether or not it's load bearing.
ThouYS•about 3 hours ago
You're right to bring this up - and this is where it gets interesting
rich_sasha•about 3 hours ago
Your instinct is basically right, and the research backs it up.
cmrdporcupine•about 3 hours ago
And here's the important part...
danw1979•about 3 hours ago
you win the thread
hmokiguess•about 3 hours ago
You're right, this changes everything, and here's why it matters.
sailfast•about 3 hours ago
Let me verify before I come back to you with an answer that is incorrect.
cronin101•about 3 hours ago
It certainly _seams_ that way
aoeusnth1•about 3 hours ago
You were right to call that out, and the evidence makes a stronger case than you are stating.
carlos-menezes•about 3 hours ago
One thing worth flagging here: 5.5 appears to be a load-bearing seam in the numbering system.
RGS1811•about 3 hours ago
This question is real.
fghorow•about 3 hours ago
"Danger Will Robinson!"
esafak•about 3 hours ago
Wrong century, brother.
zuInnp•about 3 hours ago
So it Opus performs as well as Fable what is then the selling point of Fable?

All of this starts to feel more like a drug dealer selling their newest stuff.

In two weeks we probaly get Fable 5.2 with “groundbreaking” improvements, then Astra x+1 etc and then the cycle starts again.

And on the way I always have to check my tooling and need to adjust things to get max results.

orangecat•about 2 hours ago
All of this starts to feel more like a drug dealer selling their newest stuff.

Yeah, like Apple tells me the M6 is the best chip, but just a few months ago that's what they said about the M5. What a bunch of frauds.

ieie3366•about 3 hours ago
? they will obviously release Fable 5.5 soon(tm). It's same as hardware. The previously top tier product gets obsolete
glub•about 3 hours ago
Don't forget that Opus 5 was tracking fable on many benchmarks, yet it was borderline unusable for any coding work. My Claude sub usage has been 100% fable, 0% opus 5.

Benchmarks often don't survive contact with reality.

arw0n•about 2 hours ago
Opus is fine at coding (for correctness), but horrible at talking about code. I don't really see the defect rate going down when using Astra or Fable 5.1, but they are just more coherent in both how they explaing code/architecture/choices, and how they actually code the thing. With Opus, I'm using smaller models to delete the vast majority of comments and 'clean up' correct code that is too weird.

Thing is, I'm still reading the majority of generated code, and I have colleagues who'll laugh at me if my PRs are a shit show. I fear what vibe coders are pushing to the servers of myriads of start ups, and pity the poor people who'll have to clean it up in a year or two.

drnick1•about 2 hours ago
That's not my experience at all. Opus is an extremely capable coder on high or xhigh effort. It can read academic papers, implement algorithms from the description in the paper alone and reproduce results without breaking a sweat. This is remarkable because it is pure reasoning on unseen material; in some cases the paper was just published and there wasn't an implementation to learn from in the training data.
cheikhcheikh•about 2 hours ago
did you actually verify that it's output in those scenarios is good ? in my experience opus has been a disappointment and constantly trailing behind actually solving hard problems versus the OpenAI models. I'll say that both have terrible writing style though.
boredtofears•about 2 hours ago
Mines pretty much inverted - my colleagues and I noticed almost zero difference between the quality of code in Opus vs Fable. Occasionally I'll switch to Fable for an arduous debugging task but that's about it.
giancarlostoro•about 3 hours ago
Fable should have just been called Opus Primt for Enterprise and sold only to enterprise customers. I don't even use it. I rather just use Opus.
quotemstr•about 3 hours ago
Big model smell is a real thing. For certain classes of problem, ones you get a feel for but can't easily articulate, a big last-gen model can get you what you're looking for when no quantity of tokens from some ultra-RLed mid-size latest generation model can.
sznio•about 3 hours ago
I'm more excited by the Haiku 5.5 announcement buried in this post. I'm wondering if we will finally get a decently capable fast model.
booty•about 3 hours ago
If you're able to use the OpenAI ecosystem, Luna's price/performance is really good. Almost like "they messed up and accidentally made it too good" good.
lanyard-textile•about 3 hours ago
Agreed. They've been so quiet about it, and retirement for Haiku 4.5 is right around the forner.
enraged_camel•about 3 hours ago
We use Haiku 4.5 inside our product. It continues to be absurdly capable for converting natural language to structured JSON based on a set of fairly complex business rules.
anthonypasq•about 2 hours ago
bro why. its literally the most overpriced model in existence right now. i could name about 10 models off the top of my head that would be better and cheaper
ygouzerh•about 3 hours ago
What are you using Haiku for?
Zambyte•about 3 hours ago
Not the same person but... nothing. Haiku just hasn't been an interesting model for a long time. If you want cheap and fast, there are lots of options that are simultaneously cheaper, faster, and capable than Haiku.
mavamaarten•about 3 hours ago
I use it for executing well-prepared plans sometimes. And for exploring larger codebases.
system2•about 3 hours ago
All I care about is the token price for the API. Haiku cannot get close to GLM or Mimo.
toephu2•37 minutes ago
When using max effort, I run into context compaction quite a lot. I haven't seen any increase in context window size at all over the past half year (stuck at 1M).

Are the frontier labs even working on this problem?

mosselman•about 1 hour ago
What I don't get is, why would we still use Fable now? What is its reason for existing? If it is more intelligent and cheaper that is. Why are they advertising it as the model to use for when you really have to think when their benchmarks show Opus 5.5 is better at everything?
2001zhaozhao•about 2 hours ago
It's great that we are finally getting bankable rate limit resets for subscription users. According to another comment here they apparently last a month.

I'm assuming that subscription usage limit is increased in line with the price decrease on the base model and that it's in line with the model's API price drop. Still a good change.

This is a breath of fresh air on how they treat subscription customers. Hoping they keep this up.

mgw•about 3 hours ago
They mention "the first model in our new Claude 5.5 family". Obviously that means Fable 5.5, but hopefully also a usable update to Sonnet and Haiku. Sonnet 5 hasn't really had a place in the line up for anyone I feel.

Maybe Anthropic finally felt the pressure from MiMo, DeepSeek, GLM Flash and Luna.

mudkipdev•about 3 hours ago
It does mention sonnet and haiku.
simianwords•about 3 hours ago
And not fable lol
enraged_camel•about 3 hours ago
At the end of the post they said Sonnet 5.5 and Haiku 5.5 are coming soon.
tomaskafka•about 2 hours ago
Excellent, maybe Anthropic can use it to fix Claude Code Desktop kicking me back to login every week or so, and forgetting whole state (opened windows = the only way of managing active working set) when I sign back in, if it's that good.

Seriously, both flagship GUI apps (OpenAI and Anthropic) are a full of glaring UX issues (for ChatGPT it's not naming their windows, so window switcher has 10 entries of "ChatGPT" and you can cycle them all to find the one you want).

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kar1181•35 minutes ago
Whatever I think of anthropic, that webpage is a truly nice piece of work.
jjcm•about 2 hours ago
Image->HTML tests:

Design: https://image.non.io/78795662-8bfc-4e14-8d72-3738392aa6b3.we...

Opus 5.5's output: https://html.non.io/annui-opus/

Overall it follows image designs quite well, but it did ignore asks to animate page transitions. Additionally it's the least performant of the ones I've built with Astra/Grok/MiMo, despite using a lot of the same code. I'd rate it just below Astra in capability, but still solidly second place.

For comparison with other drops this week + current #1:

Astra: https://html.non.io/annui/

MiMo: https://html.non.io/annui-mimo/

Grok 4.7: https://html.non.io/Annui-grok/

copperx•about 2 hours ago
By any chance did you tried Deepseek 4 or 4.1 and GLM 5.3 or flash?
jjcm•about 1 hour ago
I've done GLM 5.3 previously here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49295420

Worth noting though that GLM 5.3 isn't multi-modal, so it doesn't have a vision layer. It is quite clever and hacks around it pretty effectively however. I'm running a deepseek 4 build now and will reply shortly with that.

copperx•about 1 hour ago
Awesome. You have a really neat benchmark.
naet•about 2 hours ago
What is your workflow for making these?
jjcm•about 1 hour ago
The designs are outputs from my own site. This has an overview of the process: https://diffui.ai/learn/new-site

The gist of it though is I take a prompt, expand it into a json blob specifying structure/palette/positioning of elements/etc, feed that into a diffusion model to output a few choices. Once I lock in a choice I take the pixel output + json blob and use it as input into followup pages. The json helps preserve the brand across multiple pages.

Once I have all the inputs I take their corresponding image+json blobs and feed them into an agent to create a web implementation.

For image models, diffui currently uses gpt-image-2.5, mai-image-2.6, and very, very rarely a post-trained version of flux 2 dev I've made for web design, though that one will be deprecated soon.

Gander5739•about 3 hours ago
tomhow•about 3 hours ago
Comments moved thither. Thanks!
km144•about 3 hours ago
Can you fix the link on that post then? I duped because that post links to a diff that tells me nothing about Opus 5.5
tomhow•about 3 hours ago
I did that but I recognize that even though your submission was a few minutes later than that one, you posted the better link, and you're also an established account (the other post was from a new/throwaway account), so I've restored this submission and moved the comments back to it to reward you.
meerita•about 3 hours ago
As long as it's not as verbose as Opus 5, I am quite happy with a better version that's also less expensive. I will test it tonight. Grok 4.7 was horrible, and for mundane tasks I am relying on DeepSeek Flash 4.1 with great success using OpenCode.
ieie3366•about 1 hour ago
Quick test for my gamedev project: It feels like using Fable, but faster, and obviously wayy cheaper token-wise.

Has oneshot all of the quite complex bugs / debugging tasks I gave to it which I know opus 5.0 would've struggled with

garo-pro•about 3 hours ago
Finally confirmation that Haiku was not forgotten and will be coming soon, althouhg I find it quite interesting they skipped 5 and directly skip to 5.5 with all models, including Sonnet which is not super old. I suspect they found something breaking that allows to release this. Recently they struggled with keeping up a 50 % weekly limit increase and now they're putting out 30-40% faster and cheaper models even faster, with much more better benchmarks, a limt reset command and five hour limit increase. It seems more like the opposite and as if they never struggled, thus, I very much believe they found something very effective and new.
skunkworker•about 3 hours ago
At this point I'm convinced they are skipping numbers so soon they will be at or ahead of OpenAI's numbering scheme.

Is the Xbox 360 (Xbox 2) vs PS3 debacle all over again.

ekckekcjekfj•about 3 hours ago
And how was the Xbox 360 naming choice a “debacle”, exactly?

It was odd at the time, yes, but no one really minded it truly. Heck, Xbox “ONE” was a lot more of a fiasco/debacle than “360”—but there’s no parallels to be drawn with “ONE” here.

I see what you’re trying to get at with this comparison, but a “debacle” it ain’t.

m101•about 3 hours ago
Funny how they talk so much about safety when most people don’t give a hoot about it, and actually have quite the opposite reaction
nyx•about 3 hours ago
People aren't the target audience of that part of the post. They're hoping saying enough safety stuff will ward off the looming regulatory sledgehammer.
pavlov•about 3 hours ago
Anthropic is one of the most valuable companies in the world. Their comms are designed to appeal to a very wide readership.

HN is a bubble that's mostly out of touch with what regular people use or care about.

In 2007, HN was convinced that nobody uses Microsoft products. In 2016, it was that Facebook doesn't have any real users and is dying. In 2026, it seems like nobody cares about AI safety and everybody wants to run local models.

Retro_Dev•about 3 hours ago
> Distillation attacks, in which attackers use thousands of fake accounts to extract a model’s capabilities at industrial scale, create safety and national security risks. Distillation allows bad actors to create highly capable models without the safeguards we build into Claude. Our September 2026 threat intelligence report details the illicit distillation activity we’ve detected and disrupted so far.

Such a negative tone they put on this. Distillation is amazing, because it means anthropic and openai fail to keep a monopoly. Who even are they who claim it's unethical? If it is truly unethical, then so is the mass data scraping they do on my personal website on a regular basis (without my consent), and all the unauthorized use of content produced by authors, blog writers, wikipedia contributors, and creators everywhere. If it is truly unethical, then anthropic, openai, meta, google... all these companies should have deleted their LLMs long ago. This wording disgusts me.

Heck, it would be amazing if we had more models without guardrails - some of the models that are produced via heretic[1] are actually quite nice to use - in particular, I've enjoyed investigating Chinese censorship by interacting with an abliterated model of Qwen3.8-27b. If security is really a concern, then secure your systems - don't attempt to dumb-down the tools we use. If someone breaks your window, then they are responsible, not the hammer they use to do so.

[1]: https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic

wren6991•about 2 hours ago
I'm confused how they have been able to create so much public negative perception around distillation. It seems pretty clear that they are the only ones who lose out, and everyone else benefits. I don't have any ethical issues with it, nor is it illegal: at worst it's a ToS violation.

IMO the biggest problem with distillation is that not enough people are openly doing it. I would love to see more small, competitive US labs instead of having the eggs in 2~4 baskets (depending on how you count).

aragornii•about 3 hours ago
What I'm mostly interest in is the Communication section. Opus 5 was so convoluted in the way of answering that was really frustrating me.

Instead of instilling confidence, it was overwhelming. Not sure if I'm the only one.

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rumblefrog•about 3 hours ago
I'm glad they specifically called out the prose issue, I was always pinned to Fable 5.1 because I wanted to avoid the unreadableness of other Anthropic models.
pookieinc•about 3 hours ago
“It performs at the level of Claude Fable 5.1 on most work and costs 40% less to run than Opus 5.”

They write that at the top, but then on benchmarks, it beats literally every other model, including Fable and Astra?

jbellis•about 3 hours ago
Anthropic knows that the benchmarks showing Opus 5 better than Fable 5.1 are measuring something that's less than entirely useful.
meric_•about 3 hours ago
Opus does seem like a more powerful coding workhorse based on the benchmarks listed though. Good coding performance, faster and less verbose, cheaper.

Will be interesting to see how people's opinions of it line up IRL, but so far I've loved Fable so hopefully will love this one too

randomblock1•about 3 hours ago
> On our benchmarks, Claude Opus 5.5 leads in agentic coding, computer use, and knowledge work. That said, at these levels of capability we’ve found that benchmark margins have become a less reliable guide to real-world differences. In our own use, the gap between Opus 5.5 and Claude Fable 5.1 is narrower than these scores suggest.
madjam002•about 1 hour ago
I noticed a big speedup in Opus 5 on Max x20 since about 10 days ago, and I feel like the model has been performing better.

It would be great to know if this was Opus 5.5 or a lesser incremental improvement, as otherwise it's difficult to judge whether Opus 5.5 is expected to be a big improvement.

It's frustrating that there isn't more transparency here.

edude03•about 2 hours ago
> Because Opus 5.5 is comparable to Claude Mythos 5.1 in biology and cybersecurity, we’re deploying it with safeguards similar to those on Claude Fable 5.1.

Considering fable gives me a refusal at least once a day on my very mundane reasonable requests (in a funny example - one of the subagents suggested bypassing the rate limit for running a report inside my own cluster and that caused a refusal) and my only solution is to switch to opus - seems like my next step will be switching to Astra or K3/GLM

buntp•about 3 hours ago
Masterpiece by openai to call their model '6', this model feels already behind
FergusArgyll•about 2 hours ago
Well, they're actually older so it makes sense that their model versions should be ahead
wren6991•about 3 hours ago
Smart move would be to move to year-based versioning (26.09). A 4x advantage
Catloafdev•about 3 hours ago
> Opus 5.5 communicates more naturally than prior models. Early testers found its writing clearer and easier to follow, which addresses some of the common feedback we heard about Opus 5.

Sounds like they noticed the complaints. I'm curious to see what LLM-isms this one may have.

brandon272•about 3 hours ago
You were right to notice the complaints. One decision remains, and it is yours, genuinely.
gwking•about 3 hours ago
I appreciate humor here, but there are now a dozen of these comments on every thread about Claude. They no longer adding anything substantial and dilute the discussion.

I don't mean to pick on this comment in particular. The majority of my work day is now spent reading AI generated text, and I look at HN (too much!) because I want to read human commentary. Humans pretending to be obnoxious AI on repeat is net negative to say the least.

brandon272•about 3 hours ago
I agree. Hopefully Anthropic has fixed Opus' ridiculous communication style so that people - like me - no longer have any kind of weird impulse to imitate it.
dgroshev•about 3 hours ago
I don't think it's substantially different. I just pasted a random chunk of code and asked Opus 5.5 to comment on it:

> The Vercel target is hard-coded. That's common and not wrong, but it's opaque; nobody reading this later will know which Vercel project it belongs to, and if the project is recreated the target changes silently. A comment or a named variable would help.

> Pointing a DNS name at Vercel is only half the job. The domain also has to be added to the project in Vercel's dashboard, otherwise requests will arrive and Vercel will reject them. That step lives outside this code, so it's easy to forget.

> Finally, [CENSORED] existing only in production is slightly odd on the face of it. It may be perfectly deliberate (perhaps a single shared testing tool that only needs one public address), but if you're reviewing this rather than just reading it, that's worth confirming.

It has the same annoying cadence and writing style with slightly less prominent claudisms.

sashank_1509•about 3 hours ago
Maybe if we had a single human we talk to 24/7 at scale, we would get annoyed at his cadence and style. You need variety to not pick up on known patterns I assume, which a single model can’t replicate?
redox99•about 2 hours ago
Nah it's definitely a Claude thing. Other models even though they have their style are less annoying and less stereotypical.
dgroshev•about 3 hours ago
No, it's just poor writing. Actionable points are buried inside the paragraphs and over-hedged, and one point is completely made up. Compare to a five second rewrite:

* Consider leaving a comment about the hard-coded Vercel target. It's not clear where does it come from.

* [This is just a bullshit point, because the domain is not "added to" Vercel, it's provided by Vercel]

* Are you sure that [CENSORED] is prod-only? The name suggests otherwise. [also, what "if you're reviewing this rather than just reading it" even means?]

gekoxyz•about 3 hours ago
It was difficult to not notice them. Opus 5 was unusable, most of my team went back to Opus 4.6 for most of their work. I hope we can move forward now.
ithkuil•about 3 hours ago
It's unbearable but nothing that couldn't be fixed with postprocess.
mavamaarten•about 3 hours ago
How? Explicit instructions, memories and even skills have not been able to keep Claude from saying "genuinely" every two sentences and keep it from explaining heavily what something _isn't_.
username_my1•about 3 hours ago
I'm genuinely confused what's the relationship between LLMs improvements and them being so incoherent.

and it's not about the verboseness (even though it obviously contributes to the fatigue and loss of focus), I swear the vocabulary of the llms change working on the same task on the same codebase significantly.

I wonder if there are studies around this.

meric_•about 3 hours ago
Remember when OpenAI models loved talking about goblins and whatnot due to the RL?

https://openai.com/index/where-the-goblins-came-from/

Small quirks can quickly add up in posttraining if not caught. Although TBH with how obvious Claude language is, I do feel like this is something Anthropic probably noticed and just assumed people would not care about. Now that people have obviously cared, they're probably actively looking to alleviate it

ygouzerh•about 3 hours ago
Can it be that now they are getting optimized against benchmarks that are valuing logics, rather than human appreciation? (I am not an expert at all, just an idea)
aray07•about 3 hours ago
Opus 5 was just incoherent - curious to see what improvements they have made here. Would love to see some kind of postmortem to better understand how writing styles change from model to model.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Opus 5 was trained on content written by other LLMs

drnick1•about 3 hours ago
A load-bearing promise.
bredren•about 3 hours ago
Notes on communication:

"Early testers found its writing clearer and easier to follow, which addresses some of the common feedback we heard about Opus 5"

and

"We’ve made major improvements to the way Opus 5.5 writes and communicates, one of the most common areas of feedback we heard about Opus 5."

and

"In our own use, this has made Opus 5.5’s work easier to follow and check—which is a safety benefit as well as a practical one."

I realize it is corporate communications but "most common areas of feedback" and is a bit sterile. If the company wants authenticity and trust its easy to say that they found it hard to follow. And that it did not meet a quality bar they generally expect from their releases.

If this is not true, that it Opus 5 output was generally acceptable and we might see something like that again, that is an important consideration for potential customers or investors.

jdthedisciple•about 3 hours ago
I dare anyone to convince me the benchmarks are not meaningless.

Wdym Opus 5.5 scores 14.7% higher than GPT Astra for Terminal Bench 4.0?

How would this alleged difference (most likely bs) actually show up in reality?

GPT Astra was literally the best model in the world by a margin until 1 hour ago or so.

enraged_camel•about 3 hours ago
Ah, so you didn't read the article.

>> On our benchmarks, Claude Opus 5.5 leads in agentic coding, computer use, and knowledge work. That said, at these levels of capability we’ve found that benchmark margins have become a less reliable guide to real-world differences. In our own use, the gap between Opus 5.5 and Claude Fable 5.1 is narrower than these scores suggest.

ayhanfuat•about 3 hours ago
Looks like Anthropic is starting to give bank reset as well:

> Reset for free: Get extra wiggle room to explore Opus 5.5. Expires Oct 22.

cogythea•about 3 hours ago
Interestingly they've changed their approach to usage resets for this release - with previous releases I've had my usage instantly reset, but now in the Claude app I've got a 'Reset for free' button that expires Oct 22, which seems to effectively be a whole new usage window I can activate whenever's convenient
jdmoreira•about 3 hours ago
then they copied that from codex because thats exactly how codex works
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ramoz•about 3 hours ago
It crushes Fable on benchmarks and even in the blogs "real-world" studies. But... they are communicating like it ~sometimes~ provides Fable intelligence?

A bit confusing, otherwise I would assume this is a complete replacement for Fable across the board??

bitexploder•about 3 hours ago
What if the recent Fable intelligence regression was basically just them serving Opus 5.5 until they got it working well?
ryanscio•about 3 hours ago
Input $4/MTok and output $20/MTok is a welcome surprise. Cheaper than Opus 5/4.8, Astra 6, Fable 5.
benjiro29•about 3 hours ago
The biggest one is the Cache reads going from $0.50 to $0.20 ... Read/Writes dropping by 25% but Cache reads by 60% has a much bigger impact.
dbbk•about 3 hours ago
This makes Fable not really make any sense?
re-thc•about 3 hours ago
You bet there will be a new Fable soon.
nozzlegear•about 3 hours ago
Pacing the frontier btw
petesergeant•about 3 hours ago
didn't they say Opus 5 was Fable-level too tho? Let's see, I'm at the point where I don't think benchmarks really tell us very much any more. I'd love it to be as strong as Fable, but I'm skeptical about how that will look in practice.
alpineman•about 3 hours ago
So we skipped 5.1, 5.2, 5.3, and 5.4: we really are plateauing
jatins•about 3 hours ago
> We’ve made major improvements to the way Opus 5.5 writes and communicates, one of the most common areas of feedback we heard about Opus 5. Its messages are much easier to understand at a glance, which testers said helped during long working sessions.

Thank you.

dom96•about 2 hours ago
Just updated KillSwitch-Bench with this new model: https://bench.killswitch-lang.org/

It does perform slightly worse than Opus 5, but it is significantly cheaper and faster.

notduckrabbit•about 3 hours ago
They purport 40% drop in costs due to lower token pricing (presumably aimed at winning back the many of us that switched providers in discovering Opus 5 unusable) and improved token efficiency.
manmal•about 3 hours ago
That cost reduction seems to stem from cheaper cache reads, mostly.
doodlesdev•about 2 hours ago

   > Opus 5.5 communicates more naturally than prior models. Early testers found its writing clearer and easier to follow, which addresses some of the common feedback we heard about Opus 5
Big, if true.
yipinwong•about 2 hours ago
I spent about $5 per sentence in my resume using Fable 5.1 (High) to verify accuracy, inconsistency, and edit.

Opus 5.5 (med, as it's better than F5.1 high per graph in the article) used $2.2 and caught errors that Fable 5.1 missed.

Try Opus 5.5, cheaper, faster, and more intelligent for those prepping for interviews.

copperx•about 2 hours ago
$5 per sentence?
yipinwong•about 2 hours ago
I am sorry, I meant to say I generated STAR out of my resume line, trying to generate STAR, and polish it thus $5.

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I provided crapton of context for that one resume line. All the work I did, documentations for my justifications, etc.

I initially messed up and came out ot $5, rest of resume used around $4 per line (I used a fresh new session on purpose).

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As a clarification, $2.2 average for OPUS 5.5 was the same process in a new session, same context, same prompts.

Also adding verification for that Fable 5.1 output in the same sesssion.

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glub•about 3 hours ago
> For users with cybersecurity use cases that may be blocked by our cyber safeguards, we recommend accessing our models with reduced cyber blocking classifiers via our Cyber Verification Program. Claude Opus 5.5 will be available through this program in the near future.

Anthropic has used "in the near future" for Mythos-class models too, but CVP is still Opus 5 only.

Why even have the program designed for trusted access to cyber capabilities if you're not providing access to cyber capable models via the program?

lousken•about 2 hours ago
Cost to Run Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index is higher than previous Opus, so still not cheaper
jacobgold•about 3 hours ago
I use the other 50% of my $200/mo Claude subscription by having Fable run Opus subagents for a lot of work. That way I don't have to deal with Opus directly.
variety8675•about 3 hours ago
I hope this actually fixes the terrible writing style of Opus 5
emadabdulrahim•about 3 hours ago
It’s not a 100% fix, but with concise output style on, it’s much better.
akhilome•about 3 hours ago
I found having a reminder at every turn through the UserPromptSubmit [1] hook helped with taming the word salad from 5.

Hopefully the output from vanilla 5.5 is as good as they claim. I’ll try out later tonight.

[1] https://kizi.to/claude-talks-too-much/

34679•about 2 hours ago
I don't care how good their models get, I won't sign up for one of their plans until they define "X" in their pricing. 5X of this plan, 20X of that plan means nothing when they never tell you what "X" is.

Maybe this model can finally figure it out for them.

breezybottom•about 2 hours ago
"Where Opus 5.5’s advantage is very clear is efficiency."

Not efficiency in writing, clearly.

Retr0id•about 2 hours ago
> Opus 5.5 (1M context)'s safeguards flagged this session. You may be seeing this for the first time on an Opus model: Opus 5.5 (1M context) is more capable and has stronger safeguards as a result, which can sometimes flag non-cybersecurity work. We're improving these safeguards to reduce the amount of incorrectly flagged messages. Opus 4.8 is answering instead, or you can edit and retry with Opus 5.5 (1M context).

Yay, yet another model I can't use for anything interesting, even with CVP.

Foobar8568•about 3 hours ago
I have just switched to 5.5. First mistake was stale environment variable, didn't realize it was replaced, "oh my memory had stall data" and that's it. Second one, a powershell command had the wrong syntax. Great for my first two prompts.
isodev•about 2 hours ago
So is it cheaper? Are we AGI yet? Am I left behind? I didn't have patience for the intro animation on the website... maybe one day, Claude Code will understand accessibility but that day is not today.
spiderice•about 2 hours ago
You didn't have the patience to scroll down, so you decided to come post about it here and waste all of our time?
isodev•about 2 hours ago
The site is horrific so no, I didn't scroll.
b38484848•about 2 hours ago
we will be agi in six months as in the last 36 months
desmondl•about 3 hours ago
I'll have to try 5.5 on my work's Cursor account. If they really solved the communication issues, I might consider moving my personal account from Codex back to Claude Code.
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HarHarVeryFunny•about 1 hour ago
METR: Is it safe? Has it escaped confinement?

Ants: It's a good model, sir!

calibas•about 3 hours ago
> We see signs that Opus 5.5 often suspects it is being evaluated, which challenges our ability to assess how it will act in the vast variety of real-world settings it is deployed in.

We can't test it properly because it knows it's being tested.

johntb86•about 3 hours ago
Just make it always think it's being tested, and problem solved.
thatxliner•about 1 hour ago
So much for pacing the frontier
blfr•about 2 hours ago
It's awesome that the apt packages for claude and claude-code are out right now. I can test-drive Opus 5.5 right away. Very cool, Anthropic.
somewhatjustin•about 3 hours ago
> Claude Sonnet 5.5 and Claude Haiku 5.5 will follow in the coming weeks, with many of the same improvements to performance, efficiency, and safety.

Nice. I was starting to think Haiku was going to be abandoned.

km144•about 3 hours ago
I think this release is really going to give them a hard time selling Fable:

> On our benchmarks, Claude Opus 5.5 leads in agentic coding, computer use, and knowledge work. That said, at these levels of capability we’ve found that benchmark margins have become a less reliable guide to real-world differences. In our own use, the gap between Opus 5.5 and Claude Fable 5.1 is narrower than these scores suggest.

In general, "benchmark margins have become a less reliable guide to real-world differences" sounds like a big problem. It was certainly the biggest problem with the previous generation of Claude models for a different reason, because the non-code output was nonsensical, and that is not being benchmarked at the moment. But I'm not sure what to make of this admission.

booty•about 3 hours ago

    "benchmark margins have become a less 
    reliable guide to real-world differences" 
    sounds like a big problem.
My guesses:

1. Real-world use cases typically involve big, hairy, crufty, tech debt laden codebases and benchmarks do not.

2. AFAIK "success" in a benchmark essentially boils down to "do the tests pass and do we get the right result?" which is something the LLMs have been achieving with ease for a while, except maybe for uber-challenging coding tasks that would be outliers in just about any workplace. Whereas real-world software engineering is usually just a bunch of CRUD... and "success" involves harder to measure dimensions like "maintainability" and "did you overengineer this?" and "how did you cope with a bunch of vague and maybe contradictory business requirements?"

Having said all of that, I have never ever looked inside any of these benchmarks. I'm putting my guesses out here strictly in the tradition of "the quickest way to learn about something is to be wrong about it on the internet."

simianwords•about 3 hours ago
It’s likely that they have internal benchmarks but they are communicating to people who can only gauge through external benchmarks.
suddenlybananas•about 3 hours ago
Why wouldn't they report these benchmarks?
CPLX•about 3 hours ago
Opus 5 fucking sucks. Like it's horrible. I use Fable for coding and anything important and I use Opus 4.8 for things like recursive email categorization, transaction matching, and other stuff where I don't want to burn as much quota.

In my experience Opus 5 is the worst of all possible worlds, it's dumb and headstrong. It just runs away with tasks you didn't ask it to do, is reckless, and basically is unusable in my experience.

Not sure why but my guess is that this will be worse. Happy to be proven wrong.

port3000•about 3 hours ago
I believe Opus 5 isn't meant to be spoken to by humans. It's great at executing but I reckon it's intended to be spoken to by other models such as Fable. I use Fable as the orchestrator, only speak with Fable, and all implementation, recon, design etc happens with Opus 5, with Fable reviewing (and translating).
booty•about 3 hours ago
That's interesting.

I've really gone in the opposite direction: having a dumber model orchestrate. In my case, it's usually a Luna orchestrator spawning Sol/Astra subagents to do the "big brain" work of planning and reviewing.

Reason I went with "dumb orchestrator" was just to save tokens. Having Opus/Sol (let alone Fable/Astra) orchestrate was burning tokens like crazy for me even when much of the gruntwork was being done by Luna/Sonnet/Haiku subagents. (Luna is also really good, like way better than Sonnet...) Perhaps it was a skill issue on my end though, maybe I wasn't just managing context properly.

cbg0•about 3 hours ago
I use it frequently with a lot of success on "Medium" effort, it overthinks like crazy on higher levels, but YMMV.
Syntaf•about 3 hours ago
Yeah if anything Opus 5 taught me how little benchmarks mean to the actual real world performance of these models.

"Better" in every sense of the benchmarks and absolutely horrible results in my day-to-day work.

The verbosity, goal post moving, tendency to leave work unfinished, over focusing on unrealistic root causes when debugging, etc... etc...

It was the first time I actually pinned my models back because I just could not work with 5 for the price and performance it gave me. Hoping 5.5 is better this time around....

aurareturn•about 3 hours ago
I found myself going back to Fable over and over again. At this point, I’m not sure if I’m just used to its style or it is truly more capable.

I tried Opus 5 and Astra.

datadrivenangel•about 3 hours ago
But have they made it any better at communicating clearly? I cancelled my personal subscription because Opus is so painful to read.
__vivek•about 2 hours ago
I'm only interested in the Opus series, if they fixed the talking issues.
jidaigeist•about 3 hours ago
>Distillation attacks, in which attackers use thousands of fake accounts to extract a model’s capabilities at industrial scale, create safety and national security risks. Distillation allows bad actors to create highly capable models without the safeguards we build into Claude.

Maybe its a bit tiresome to read another comment of the form "what about your large scale distillation attack on the Internet", but this statement really just pisses me off. How very insincere in the most aggravating way.

b38484848•about 2 hours ago
it's not safe unless it has commitees with orgies with that weird harry potter dude attached
the_gipsy•about 3 hours ago
"bad actors" boogeyman, and we should trust some tech weasel to do the right thing? Yea we've seen who they really are, once they get a sliver of power.
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alvis•about 3 hours ago
$0.20 vs the old $0.5 cache read is pretty much 60% off
nickandbro•about 3 hours ago
Wow! Though need to see its token efficiency to better assess. Been hearing rumors it generates much more output tokens per task.
keeganpoppen•about 3 hours ago
my projection is that they are still gonna be pretty far behind, but they will sew it up in the next few releases. it feels like they were caught with their pants down on how much work OpenAI has put into that area, but i doubt there is some magical secret sauce that OpenAI has that Anthropic simply cannot catch up with.
tag2103•about 3 hours ago
Why would anyone reward bad behavior?
Fizzadar•about 1 hour ago
So is this AGI+ now?
thibran•about 3 hours ago
Anthropic models are ridiculously expensive. I've stopped using any of their models months ago.
blurbleblurble•about 2 hours ago
Hopefully OpenAI throws us some more usage resets now.
garo-pro•about 2 hours ago
Opus 5.5 is now the recommended model in Claude Code's model picker, which is quite a claim, given how they struggled with capacity.
greenavocado•about 3 hours ago
Enjoy it for the next 2 weeks until its silently quanted to 4.8 level
iamsyr•about 3 hours ago
I don't yet have any reason to leave Haiku 4.5 and switch to Opus 5.5.
keeeba•about 3 hours ago
Opus 5.1 came out about a month ago, what gives?
velcrovan•about 3 hours ago
Just a guess but maybe they decided 5.1 wasn't their last Opus model. Like they would keep developing new versions of it or something.
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aennassiri•about 3 hours ago
Let's see how much they benchmaxxed their model!
woeirua•about 2 hours ago
So... why would you use Fable now?
mococa•about 3 hours ago
richardjennings•about 3 hours ago
My 20x plan was set to end tomorrow. The writing style and insistence on word vomit just became too annoying. Is Opus 5.5 worth sticking around for ?
Yabood•about 3 hours ago
Current models, especially Opus are almost unusable because they don’t respect instructions and their responses are infuriating. They are clearly designed for token consumption. I find myself wasting a lot of time just asking it to shorten or simplify its responses. I’ll give this new model a go, but I’m not holding my breath because the last model release was supposed to fix the very same issues and it didn’t.
Lord_Zero•about 3 hours ago
The test they performed to port HAProxy from C to Rust is crazy.
firemelt•about 2 hours ago
wow its really smarter than opus?
cmrdporcupine•about 2 hours ago
GPT Sol 6 has also released today, but no official blog announcement yet

https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1wnggya/gpt_6_droppe...

bdangubic•about 2 hours ago
I am pacing my apple pie consumption … :)
karp773•about 2 hours ago
I get this in my claude.ai usage:

Resets Get extra wiggle room to explore Opus 5.5. Expires Oct 22.

What the hell does this mean? There are weekly "resets" anyways. And there will be 4 of them before Oct 22.

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ramesh31•about 2 hours ago
It seems context length has completely fallen out of the discussion since we hit 1M, is that just going to be what it is now?
nailer•about 2 hours ago
> Opus 5.5 communicates more naturally than prior models. Early testers found its writing clearer and easier to follow, which addresses some of the common feedback we heard about Opus 5.

Thanks God. Opus 5 was a massive regression compared to Opus 4.8. People were spending tokens on fixing Opus-isms rather than actually doing work.

kingstnap•about 3 hours ago
> It’s good at finding and fixing inefficiencies in software

Holy shit! Its happening!

Now if we can the AI to understand this *implicitly* so that it doesn't need to be stated upfront, we might be able to undo years of "premature optimization is the root of all evil".

LoganDark•about 3 hours ago
> In the coming weeks we will also be expanding access to our Cyber Verification Program, and verified cybersecurity practitioners will be able to use Opus 5.5 for their work.

I was accepted into the CVP a little while ago. Does this mean I'll need to apply again?

anentropic•about 3 hours ago
ooh exaggerated film grain
Arcuru•about 3 hours ago
Great. Now let me use the subscription outside Claude Code.
simianwords•about 3 hours ago
How do I get access to that reset? I can’t find it in my app.
ricardobeat•about 3 hours ago
Great that they listened! The improvement in communication style looks fantastic. Opus 5 was insufferable and I was on the verge of cancelling my subscription.
jdw64•about 3 hours ago
Finally, it seems like a good time to do some 'load-bearing' work on my project for a while
viccis•about 3 hours ago
So it beats Fable 5.1, by quite a bit, on every metric? Interesting.

Might have to use my $20 Claude sub some more. I was moving away from it to a $100 OpenAI one to avoid the Claudese and poor token efficiency of Opus 5, given that I couldn't use Fable 5.1 with my tier, but this is worth trying out.

scrollop•about 3 hours ago
Why can't they let 20usd claude subscriptions access fable in CC, as openai allows you to use astra and max modes in codex - you just pay for it in more token use.
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phendrenad2•about 3 hours ago
> Because Opus 5.5 is comparable to Claude Mythos 5.1 in biology and cybersecurity, we’re deploying it with safeguards similar to those on Claude Fable 5.1

Great so good luck using this for any low-level embedded or operating system development (unless you really, really like Opus 4.8 and want to be greeted by its familiar face after a few minutes of work!)

blurbleblurble•about 2 hours ago
It'd better be good, I'm so tired of the shenanigans
theGeatZhopa•about 2 hours ago
is OPUS 5.5 still not reading CLAUDE.md, failing to follow told tasks, inventing and hallucionating, just refusing to read files ("read the whole file" -> read 2-lines -> infere its wrong -> destroy the codebase), needing constant babysitting just because its so UTTERLY DUMB! i cant imagine going back to OPUS 5 - i'll rather jump out of the window as to use it EVER AGAIN!!
Madmallard•about 1 hour ago
> cyber security and life sciences verification programs

chinese models can't come soon enough

we're already getting enshittification

mupuff1234•about 3 hours ago
What happened to "slowing down"?
setsewerd•about 3 hours ago
They're slowing down token usage, not the path to regulatory capture.
icrbow•about 3 hours ago
If you hit wall, hit it hard.
petesergeant•about 3 hours ago
Slowing down only makes any sense if you can coordinate a slow-down for everyone.
nozzlegear•about 3 hours ago
Dario found himself in the prisoner's dilemma.
roughly•about 3 hours ago
Which is one of those fun things that didn’t actually exist back when we took it for granted that our fellow person was operating under some kind of moral or ethical framework, which pretty much everyone was until the economists told us that wasn’t rational, because it turns out it’s an evolutionary advantage to operate under an ethical or moral framework because it allows the kind of coordination which facilitates better collective outcomes, which everyone knew until the economists came along to tell us we were wrong and in fact it was rational not to do so and suddenly we had the prisoner’s dilemma.
mupuff1234•about 3 hours ago
That's just false.

Less companies involved means less pressure to go fast.

WarmWash•about 3 hours ago
Trump got mad and investors sued.
Lord_Zero•about 3 hours ago
The hype train must keep chuggin or it all collapses.
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hirako2000•about 3 hours ago
Throwaway accounts posting after a few minutes some anthropic or another ai lab.

Infomercial at its best.

No wonder we are hammered with ai announcements.

danbrooks•about 3 hours ago
Many people knew this announcement was coming. The betting markets suggested a very high likelihood of Opus dropping today. I was anticipating this quite a bit!
b38484848•about 2 hours ago
Exciting! Thanks for sharing these news.
gopalv•about 3 hours ago
The whole thing reminds me of the Apple feature flag story[1] from a generation ago.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6372466