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bananaflag•about 1 hour ago
> Describing them as “superintelligence” or “rogue models” ascribes agency to products rather than to the companies building them. This framing markets these companies’ products as “superhuman” and, at the same time, helps the companies evade accountability for their actions.

If someone discovered how to summon demons to aid them in robbing banks the main issue wouldn't be "but who has the responsibility for the crime, the human or the demon", it would be "OMG DEMONS".

Seriously, I don't get what sort of world these people are living in.

lukan•about 1 hour ago
Thank you for the laugh, but I bet on the internet (and especially here) you surely would find people debating exactly that.
ForHackernews•about 1 hour ago
If I run a port scanner / vulnerability fuzzer pointed at your network that churns for days and eventually cracks something and breaks your system, would you be upset with me, or my bash loops?

What if you tried to sue me for damages and my defense was, "Your honor, this was a highly advanced AI gone rogue, I couldn't possibly be held negligent, no one could have foreseen this - I accidentally summoned dark magiks from the silicon itself!"

Note the point I'm making: I am not claiming LLMs are equivalent to a for loop, I'm saying that you can't evade moral and legal responsibility through technical obscurantism.

A bomb wired to a sufficiently-complex RNG is still a bomb.

hn_submit•13 minutes ago
I think the pumped-up hype nicely coincides with some A.I. companies' desire to go public in the coming weeks or months.

I see lots of fabricated news on the internet concerning LLMs. Like one that claims GPT-6 broke an Enigma enciphered message which has withstood decrypting for almost 80 years. And how this seasoned cryptographer stood in awe. Yeah, right.

0xDEAFBEAD•2 minutes ago
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simonw•about 1 hour ago
Is this meant to link to the article as opposed to a newsletter that mentions the article?

Article link is: https://www.technologyreview.com/2026/09/22/1144867/dont-be-...

emil-lp•about 1 hour ago
Title

Don’t be fooled by this summer of AI hype

bananaflag•about 1 hour ago
One of the authors is one of the stochastic parrot authors.
simonw•about 1 hour ago
Both authors. Stochastic Parrots was Emily M. Bender, Timnit Gebru, Angelina McMillan-Major, and Margaret Mitchell - the linked article is by Emily M. Bender and Timnit Gebru.
altern8•13 minutes ago
It's just a marketing stunt. I can't get Claude to align buttons properly most of the times, they're not going to conquer the world
DonHopkins•7 minutes ago
That's a different alignment problem than the one that's going to wipe out all life on earth.
Tbarlow•34 minutes ago
Feels like the blockchain bubble all over again, just with more impressive demo reels. Still waiting for my LLM to write perfect code.
ahtcx•25 minutes ago
Do you write perfect code? I was in denial for a long time too, but the reality is this is how software engineering is now. It can handle pretty much any codebase and vastly faster than you ever will be able to. With enough context, it writes good code and it's only getting better.
tomrod•15 minutes ago
> Do you write perfect code?

For simple things, occasionally!

For more complex things, usually not, but I write working code. LLMs will sometimes write working code, sometimes not.

matkoniecz•25 minutes ago
> Still waiting for my LLM to write perfect code.

I am not writing perfect code either.

spiderfarmer•27 minutes ago
How many companies depend on perfect code?
simianwords•24 minutes ago
I want to understand the minds of people who think LLM is like blockchain bubble haha
VCFundedGenYer•31 minutes ago
I maintain the notion that LLMs are just what all NFT grifters moved to after the NFT fad died.
jaapz•4 minutes ago
I really don't get this. Sure there is hype. But LLM's have already changed our industry, and it will never be the same.

I don't care whether the LLM can solve this or that mathematical previously thought unsolvable theorem. What I do care about is can it write good, maintainable code. And every new release of frontier models - they get better at it.

Good output depends on good input (prompt), and a good set of available tools the model can use to verify their work. If given this, nowadays really you need to try to get the model to output garbage.

0xDEAFBEAD•14 minutes ago
Anthropic is now running at $100B in annual revenue. Based on a quick Google, that's about 3 OOMs greater than the biggest NFT company.
DonHopkins•17 minutes ago
If you had enough common sense and ethical integrity not to participate in the blockchain bubble, and really believe what you claim, then why are you participating in the AI bubble?

...or did you?

spiderfarmer•29 minutes ago
People aren't seeing the forest through the trees.

While lots of developers, journalists, analysts, investors and influencers are bickering about AGI, goalposts, benchmarks, hypes and fears, entire markets are being transformed silently and steadily.

I don't program anymore. (Massive change)

I removed tons of technical debt (Massive change, lol)

I am easily 10x more productive (Massive change)

The quality of 'my' code is easily 10x better and contains less bugs (I was never principled, pedantic or a guru, lol)

I sleep better and I also make more money as a result. I'm constantly amazed by all changes and improvements. There are so many opportunities to profit from this that I can't be bothered with discussions about hypotheticals.

stanmancan•17 minutes ago
I have had a very different experience so far. The more code AI writes for me the worse it gets. It gets more complicated and it’s harder to follow and understand. It doesn’t refactor, it layers on top.

Even worse is that it’s hard to do anything about it at this point because reviewing code is very different from writing it, so even if I’ve seen it all I don’t have that same deep level of understanding that I do when I write it myself.

All these AI code bases are ticking time bombs. Either AI gets smart enough that it won’t matter in the future or we’re going to have a huge mess to clean up.

intrasight•2 minutes ago
> The more code AI writes for me the worse it gets.

That makes no sense unless you're claiming that the models are getting worse at writing code.

> Either AI gets smart enough that it won’t matter in the future or we’re going to have a huge mess to clean up.

My prediction is that both will happen.

toasty228•17 minutes ago
> I am easily 10x more productive (Massive change)

Do you get paid 10x or is this a massive loss ? Because I don't know anyone getting paid 10x or working 10x less for the same salary.

ForHackernews•20 minutes ago
It sounds like you're describing compilers?
brainwad•20 minutes ago
I mean, the authors here cannot afford to see the forest, because they staked their careers on forests of trees being an impossibility.
themgt•31 minutes ago
It's a tough situation when your claim to fame is "On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big?" arguing models should be kept to < GPT-2 size because larger models will serve no purpose or function:

Text generated by an LM is not grounded in communicative intent, any model of the world, or any model of the reader’s state of mind. It can’t have been, because the training data never included sharing thoughts with a listener, nor does the machine have the ability to do that. This can seem counter-intuitive given the increasingly fluent qualities of automatically generated text, but we have to account for the fact that our perception of natural language text, regardless of how it was generated, is mediated by our own linguistic competence and our predisposition to interpret communicative acts as conveying coherent meaning and intent, whetheror not they do [89, 140]. The problem is, if one side of the communication does not have meaning, then the comprehension of the implicit meaning is an illusion arising from our singular human understanding of language (independent of the model).

And then they make 100x bigger models cranking out solutions to Navier Stokes, Jacobian Conjecture and countless other extremely impressive unsolved problems

Let's see how Timnit Gebru and Emily M. Bender describe these events:

As for the mathematical results, mathematicians who were initially “stunned” by OpenAI’s press release saying that its latest chatbot, Astra, solved problems that “have been open and seen no progress on the main result for at least a decade”—but they later realized that the results weren’t as “novel as first appeared.” Since then, mathematicians have accused the company of research misconduct and plagiarism, and they’ve reiterated that Astra didn’t make a “profound intellectual leap.”

Decide for yourself whether that's a summary written by intellectually honest people.

According to the AI industry, we should be more worried about a fictional machine god than ... the water that is redirected to cooling them.

Spoiler: they're not intellectually honest people.

DonHopkins•11 minutes ago
AI is putting parrots and parrot trainers out of jobs.
daveguy•22 minutes ago
Spoiler: openai could neither confirm nor deny that the model that "solved" navier stokes was trained on the chat logs of the mathematicians who did solve it using a similar technique.
fleshmonad•about 1 hour ago
Yeah so tired of this. Stealing all our IP and it can't even write a line of code. I am quite special, it won't change my life, I am irreplaceable. These AIbros are lunatics. Last time I checked it couldn't even count the Rs!!! Time to go back to my important asd special work as a human with SOVL