S.F. Democratic Party stands behind Flock surveillance cameras in vote

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culi•about 2 hours ago

> Both sides acknowledged that the city’s Flock camera data was illegally accessed more than 1.6 million times in 2024 and 2025, with lots of those searches reaching out-of-state agencies like Immigration and Customs Enforcement. And, more recently the San Francisco Police Department admitted around 300 out-of-state illegal searches had happened in the last year.

If the abolition movement wants progress we should start throwing white collar criminals that allow this to happen in prison. See how quickly those with power will start considering transformative/restorative justice alternatives

We already have laws making a lot of what Flock does illegal. We just don't enforce them

jsbisviewtiful•about 2 hours ago

> in prison.

Personally I think people should start taking them personally to court via class action lawsuits. Prison would be a bonus, but crushing them financially would be the most effective.

mcphage•18 minutes ago

Both? Both is good.

cyanydeez•about 2 hours ago

I don't think we need to throw people in prison.

What we do need is the death penalty to corporations. Reap them, take their cash and tell shareholders to do their due diligence when investing in criminal activities.

Why we keep protecting corporations just because there's a piece of paper that claims to do XYZ is such a bizarre world.

tcdent•about 2 hours ago

I'm generalizing the political groups involved, but I don't understand how anyone who is conscious and/or cautious of AI safety, perhaps to the point of regulation, would then support the usage of AI-assisted surveillance.

smallmancontrov•about 2 hours ago

> 31 members — 13 of whom were absent

Dammit

ortusdux•about 2 hours ago

In protest?

culi•about 2 hours ago

Probably supported it but didn't want it on their record they supported such an unpopular surveillance apparatus and corporation

aw4rzs•about 2 hours ago

Incredible goof for the head of public affairs at Flock Safety to not abstain from even an internal party vote.

2PqboPPmKegvanx•about 2 hours ago

seems like par for that course

ginkgotree•about 2 hours ago

Why does anyone working in tech still even live in SF? I left during covid and have never looked back.

Manuel_D•about 2 hours ago

Yes, San Francisco still has a massive tech scene. Especially during the AI boom in the last few years. It's true that NYC recently eclipsed SF in terms of the raw number of tech workers, but considering the roughly order-of-magnitude difference in population that demonstrates just how tech-heavy SF still is.

lend000•about 2 hours ago

They seem to have solved the car break-in problem since you left. Overall the city feels much safer and cleaner than it did 10 years ago, although the character of the city has also changed.

terio•about 2 hours ago

During COVID I considered moving away from SF but decided to stay. I couldn't find another place that works better for me.

some_random•about 2 hours ago

Probably because their employers require it and getting a new remote job with a good salary right now is quite hard?

evil-olive•about 2 hours ago

"no one lives in SF anymore, it's too crowded"

sebmellen•about 2 hours ago

> Two Democratic committee members work for Flock, but were allowed to vote regardless

The only appropriate response to this is "What the fuck?"

culi•about 2 hours ago

Lily Ho and Trevor Chandler

> Last month, the San Francisco Standard reported that a prior version of Mar’s resolution was removed from the party’s agenda by a subcommittee chaired by Ho.

> The committee does not have rules related to conflicts of interest for issues like this one, Tung told Mar. They then proceeded to count both Ho and Chandler’s votes.

aprilthird2021•about 2 hours ago

It boggles my mind that Dorsey is even welcome in the SF Dem Party space after he posted on Twitter that mass amounts of civilians in Gaza welcome being killed by missiles:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Daf9d_7mh22/?img_index=2

I know SF supervising has 0 to do with the Middle East. But if he thinks like this about groups he doesn't like, what about when one of his constituents is part of a group he doesn't like?

Also crazy that 2 of the 20-ish members were employees of Flock and allowed to vote on this

HDThoreaun•about 2 hours ago

Am I the only one here who doesnt really care that the government is watching me all the time? London effectively eliminated violent crime by watching everyone all the time, doesnt seem to bad to me.

some_random•about 2 hours ago

Didn't they have that whole thing a year or two ago where criminals were snatching phones out of peoples hands? Where the police response was to blame the victims and tell them to just pay more attention to their surroundings next time?

HDThoreaun•about 2 hours ago

Robbery has fallen from 10 per 1000 to around 6. There are definitely a lot of confounders so Im not trying to claim is was 100% the surveillance but I do think the surveillance contributed to lower violent crime rates.

some_random•about 1 hour ago

I don't know how these terms are defined exactly, but the BBC claims 71k reported stolen phones in 2025 vs a population of 9.2 million which gives a rate of 7.7 per 1000. There has definitely been improvement but that's obviously above 6. Maybe phone theft isn't counted as robbery?

In any case, recovery rate is the other important metric here especially for justifying a surveillance state, and that has been absolutely terrible.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx4762znr6o

aprilthird2021•about 2 hours ago

London eliminated crime?

Doesn't seem like it: https://abcnews.com/International/report-london-safer-cctv-c...

HDThoreaun•about 2 hours ago

Pretty much yea. Knifing per capita is down like 75% since they installed the cameras and homicide per capita is down 50%