Back to News
Advertisement
Advertisement

⚡ Community Insights

Discussion Sentiment

73% Positive

Analyzed from 794 words in the discussion.

Trending Topics

#code#llm#more#own#llms#writing#programming#hand#still#same

Discussion (12 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews

geraldwhen•about 1 hour ago
It's over. LLMs can produce any algorithm, any tech stack, any concept in seconds, minutes, or hours.

Writing code is like trying to build a house without powertools. Could you do it? Sure. But no one ever will, for most values of no one.

bluefirebrand•43 minutes ago
So what are people like me, who fall into "some values of no one" supposed to do?

I guess just blow my brains out? Just.. Thanks for trying man, but you picked the wrong thing to specialize in, now you're completely redundant and worthless to society. Here's your cyanide pill?

God damn I'm so bitter about all of this. I was doing so well for a bit now I feel like I've completely wasted my life.

veexx103•about 1 hour ago
For tasks you don't want to do (such as work-related ones), use an LLM.

For tasks you enjoy, write them yourself.

intrasight•about 1 hour ago
After programming for 40 years, my brain has many language parsers. But languages and interfaces and classes evolve and it been a huge productivity boost the use LLMs for coding.

I use AI like StackOverflow on steroids. And like using stackoverflow, I do it in a browser and I don't let the LLM touch my code.

I, personally, love programming more than ever!

Matl•about 1 hour ago
Problem is in many places the AI push is to use agents for everything and so instead of writing code now you end up reviewing what the LLM generated for most of the day.
nly•about 1 hour ago
I've lately been using LLMs to do a lot of testing and verification.

An LLM can go and pull files off NFS, and write and run verification scripts in less time than I can even think of a testing strategy or locate the files.

Sometimes they'll do it unprompted

For writing unit tests, which are often repetative and verbose, they are another godsend.

Overall they're freeing up a lot more time for nice things like thoughtful API design, refactoring, system architecture and design work etc.

superjose•about 1 hour ago
One thing I've been doing is to use it for:

1. Compare the code against production data with MCP. We use a read only platform called Metabase which reads one of the MySQL replicas. I tell the agent to fetch production data and make a static pass (it doesn't run the code) in which it compares shapes and inputs, and oh boy it has caught a few misnomers.

2. To debug production data and create graphs. It connects to datadog (where we store the logs), checks the history of the commits, and many times suggest fixes. These are for low-medium impact like validations that didn't need to go through, or a step check that it was missing

3. Creating tickets on the board (we use linear). Now PRs are more detailed and can be understood.

And for coding? I've been spending the last 4 weeks scrutinizing EVERY output and decision from frontier models, and pushed back in many decisions.

Philpax•about 1 hour ago
Appreciate the read, even if the workflow's not for me personally. I've found that I'm just not that interested in writing the code by hand now that the option to not do so is available - but I totally understand people who still want to!
sparrowidle•about 1 hour ago
Agreeing with the means/end framing, and the bit that's missing is that most of us are both depending on the day. I'll happily let it generate the CSV parser and still want to hand-write the tricky state machine.
plastic-enjoyer•about 1 hour ago
I find it quite entertaining that programmers seem to find themselves in the same position as every other person that has hobbies that were once serious jobs but got automated away, and can't seem to connect the dots. How to keep enjoying programming? The same way as people that still make their own clothes, their own furniture, their own shoes, their own bread, and so on. They do it for themselves, for their own satisfaction and for the transformative potential doing things on your own has.
supaflybanzai•23 minutes ago
Is it really that hard to understand?

Same people that make clothes for fun usually do not work at sweatshops.

Some bakers started baking as a hobby, got really good at it, and then better tools and profit margins came about. Now they were forced to make low quality bread at work for 8 hours straight every day and seeing 90% of their colleagues that they considered pretty good bakers actually be fine with it.

How exciting do you think those bakers are to bake more bread at home after they go though slopping bread at work? How enthusiastic are they still about their hobby after a few years or a decade?

na1026•26 minutes ago
These narratives are designed for people who want to see programmers taken down a peg. The truth is that LLM generated code is not sustainable and the people hawking it are operating recklessly.
physicallyIllfr•23 minutes ago
You can also program by hand professionally. There's a reason why the handmade, luxery items are more valuable and desirable than the heavily manufactured counterpart.

1. Because they're genuinely better quality. Usually.

2. There's a human connection (way more important than people think. I.e commodity fetishism)

3. Less people can do it.

-- all of these properties will apply to software in the near future. The person that can hand code the thing an llm does poorly, or because an llm cant be trusted will be extremely valuable, especially as this category of people begins to shrink, as peoppe atrophy their skills with llms.

The rest of y'all are excited about handing over the value of your labor to some billionaires thinking machine because that same billionaire has convinced you that you're going to be able to create your own startup or something stupid.

Nah, you're going to become a (underpaid/poor) conveyor belt operator making mass manufactured slop. Some smart ones will become the swiss watchmakers of software. Rare and in demand.

nonasking_•about 1 hour ago
Thanks for sharing. It might also come down to whether we see programming as an end in itself or as a tool.
tosh•about 1 hour ago
Pick something you always wanted to learn more about and use LLMs to help you